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To: unlearner

“I can’t tell this group from the “ding dongs” over at DU that would arrest this father and put the boy in foster care with a homosexual couple. That’s truly alarming.”

I guess you are not a fan of free speech and find those of us who have differing opinions an anathema. You are free to believe how you want, so to are those of us who disagree with your viewpoint. BTW, I watched the video and the boy was closer to 5 than he was to 10, o.k., and the trash mouth “father,” in my view, was simply one of those a$$holes for whom sports take on an overwhelming segment of their otherwise worthless lives. I’ve raised three children, all of whom had varying degrees of interest in athletics that we, as parents, allowed to take whatever course that each child desired. I coached youth soccer for all of them, but I did it for them, not for me. That is the difference here!
The only other question that needs an answer is how do you know what goes on at DU? I’ve never visited, inquiring minds want to know.


51 posted on 12/19/2013 8:06:05 PM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387

“I guess you are not a fan of free speech “

Wrong. But on a conservative forum I expect and usually find conservative comments.

When you called me a ding dong for my expression of general disbelief at the comments I am reading, I was not referring to anything you said. Did you read them? One comment suggests this man should lose his son and go be butt raped in prison. Does that sound like a conservative, pro-family position? Another comment said he should have his testicles cut off? Really? Is that what FR stands for?

I could sympathize (though not agree) with such comments if they were about the “father” and his homosexual partner who tortured and sexually abused the “father’s” nine-year-old son and was caught recently. But these comments are way out of line for this incident even is the dad is an overbearing jerk or reckless.

So, yes I am for freedom of speech. That doesn’t mean that people should not be called out for abusing that right. And further, this forum is not the place to grandstand liberal or otherwise crazy opinions as they can and do lead to getting zotted.

“so to[o] are those of us who disagree with your viewpoint”

100% agree with you. We both are entitled to our opinions and to express them. Given your age and experience as a parent and grandparent, I would generally defer to you as a rule of thumb. I’m guessing if that was your son driving the SUV then you would give him a good talking to and make sure he isn’t being reckless with your grandchildren.

I actually tend to be extremely cautious about safety issues; especially when it comes to cars. As a vette man you may relate to my experience when a relative spent the weekend in a vette her boss loaned her, and drove her eight-year-old daughter around town. She gave me a ride first and the first thing I asked was how do you disable the passenger airbag. She didn’t know, and her boss who also had a little girl didn’t bother to tell her. Turns out she drove around all weekend with her daughter without ever disabling it. If they had been in a minor accident that deployed the airbags, her daughter might have been killed (due to her being young and even very light for her age). I was not happy about that and let her know.

” I watched the video and the boy was closer to 5 than he was to 10”

You might be right. If this dad was a member of my family or even a personal friend I would want an answer to that question and to know more about whether there is a pattern of recklessness. But, like I said, I cannot see clear evidence from the video that he was being dangerous. If I was on a jury and this was the only evidence that he was endangering his child I would definitely not convict. What he did might well be stupid, but at the end of the day I would not label him an unfit parent for it alone.

“the trash mouth ‘father’ in my view, was simply one of those a$$holes for whom sports take on an overwhelming segment of their otherwise worthless lives.”

You could be right, but I believe in the presumption of innocence. What I heard sounds like a dad pretending to expect his little boy to perform like a star athlete just as a way of cutting up. But I could be wrong.

“as parents, allowed to take whatever course that each child desired. I coached youth soccer for all of them, but I did it for them, not for me.”

That’s exactly how I feel about sports as well. My parents supported our interests but never pushed theirs. And I definitely have seen some parents push their children to perform in very unhealthy ways, but I doubt that is the case based on this minute-and-a-half video.

“The only other question that needs an answer is how do you know what goes on at DU? I’ve never visited, inquiring minds want to know.”

Ha, ha. I don’t have an account with them if that is what you mean. I have probably gone over there three or four times ever. I can handle a lot of things, but I refuse to subject myself to that kind of mental deficiency if it can be avoided.

That’s why I certainly do not want my beloved FR to descend into such madness.

I have observed over the past couple of years a growing angst and a tendency for internal fights to break out here. At first I thought it was due to trolls infiltrating the ranks and stirring up trouble. But when I read the profiles and posts of people like you and others who may disagree over something, I see that the fights are often happening between real conservatives.

I think we are all getting on the edge. I think we all know deep down that this nation is in serious trouble. I think we realize that turning things around is no small task. I think many feel somewhat helpless.

The time may soon come when we have to find a way to put aside petty disagreements and stand together for the survival of this nation.


54 posted on 12/19/2013 9:21:24 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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