Posted on 11/23/2013 8:30:47 PM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
wow!! here’s the thing; they claim she waited “for hours” yet the place was so empty she could’ve walked up 5 minutes before the motorcade passed by...
I will bet YOU any amount of money you want to loose that you are wrong.
Here is HOW you prove the US government lied about what happened. There are TWO WAYS to time the shots that killed JFK. One way is universally accepted as valid. The second way has been attacked viciously by the US government and the lap dog media as being invalid. Before you decide whether the gov't and the media are right, consider that a recent book shows that the times are the same between shots in BOTH methods which means statistically that both are valid.
So how does the book do what others have failed to do? Mistakes and lies surround the information that hides the truth about the JFK assassination. At this point in the discussion, consider the possibility that the US government was involved in the assassination. If the government was involved, then EVERYTHING the government provided as evidence would have to be viewed as suspect. The trick to getting the right answers is to use information that the US government could not have forged.
This video in about 10 minutes shows what the verbage above actually means. You will notice that several of the shots that can be identified in the Zapruder film match the timing in the other evidence. That brings up the question: What is the probability that audio experts looking at information from random noise could guess the timing of movements seen in the Zapruder film? The quick answer is there isn't a chance in he((. What that means is that you have been lied to because when you compare this analysis to the official "story" only one can be right. If the timing argument is correct, it means that significant amounts of evidence supplied by the US government was forged to obviously to hide the truth.
When you look at the forged evidence, the scumbag conspirators fingerprints are all over it. You surely know the FBI confiscated the Dallas evidence; therefore, they are the only ones who could have forged, destroyed and lied to create this "mystery." It has never been a mystery, it has always been a lie.
You'll notice that the argument above says that only one "scenario" can be right. Fools like Vince Bugliosi in RECLAIMING HISTORY are looking to find scenarios that are consistent with the evidence the gubermint supplied when the actual solution is that the actual shooting sequence exposes the US government's fraud.
It will take a while for Americans to finally accept that they have been made to look like total fools. The government found a half century ago that if it can fool the press, you can fool Americans. The JFK shows put on television in the last few weeks are a presentation of lies, half truths and guesses. Not one scenario they talk about is correct.
The zapruder film shows the head snapping backwards and the brains go out the back of the head, where jackie picks them up off the trunk.
There is also a photograph somewhere take the instant of the head shot that shows the spray coming out the rear.
But you can keep promiting the theory that a rea shot can make a head move backwards... In the oNLY recreation i saw that tried to duplicate that blowout removed all the exit wound.
Kennedy’s face is still in one piece. The doctors at the hospital ALL said the back of the head was the exit wound.
The first cops in the biuilding saw Oswald in the cafeteria.
That was Fuhrman’s theory. It’s plausible.
You can check out pictures of Kennedy lying dead on a table. His face and forehead are intact. It’s the back of his head that is in shambles.
I dont need a ‘belief’ in this- I have a degree in physics, and I am familiar with bullet entry/exit wounds from worming many years with the police and my brother in the FBI
What you say you see in the film is the exact opposit of what i see in the film= are you looking at the same one?
HAve you seen the still photo thaken at the instant of the head shot that shows the blowout from the BACK of the head?
The secret service officer who climbs onto the back of the car was covered in it
I believe they found the so-called “magic” or “pristine” bullet intact on a gurney.
As I recall from the Warren report, one bullet missed completely and was actually seen ricocheting off the asphalt. The “pristine” bullet caused the wound to Kennedy’s back and neck and then wounded the governor, and of course the fatal head wound.
Again, why look for supernatural causes when this terrible murderer can be explained naturally?
Because the left doesn’t want to think JFK could be so easily felled, and by an individual who was a Marxist.
World experts, or my lying eyes? Decisions...decisions...
The ballistic evidence is the most troubling to me. Would a 6.5 mm FMJ bullet fragment/disintegrate so completely when it hit Kennedy’s skull?
Deformation and fragments would be apparent, but wouldn’t a large mass of the bullet remain? There is no mention of it in the coroner’s report, only small flecks/fragments found in Kennedy’s brain. I do believe that Oswald was the lone assassin, but this part of the case troubles me most.
John Catsup Kerry was in Vietnam at the time, count him out!
I think it was Ion Mihai Pacepa who claimed that Ruby was a Cuban agent whose job was to erase any implication of Castro in the assassination. Makes sense to me.
Ruby didn't die until 1967. Did he know he was terminal in 1963?
His first trial ended March 14, 1964. He was issued a ticket to the chair, despite Melvin Belli's best efforts.
His first lawyer, local attorney Tom Howard, had asked him if there was anything other than shooting Oswald on national television that might damage his defense. Ruby brought up only his involvement in a gun running scheme in the service of anti-Castro forces.
Ruby swore to the Warren Commission that he was not part of a conspiracy. But a year later, in 1965, he changed his story and began hinting about a conspiracy to overthrow the government and claimed that he knew who had Kennedy killed.
More than a year after that, on October 5, 1966, Ruby's lawyers succeeded in getting his murder conviction overturned, on the ground that the original court should have granted a motion for a change of venue. A new trial was ordered, to be held away from Dallas, in February 1967.
But Ruby fell ill December 9, 1966 and died three weeks later from cancer of the liver, lungs, and brain.
So, it seems likely Ruby was telling the truth when he denied to the Warren Commission that he was part of a conspiracy. His later deviation from that line was probably an effort to postpone his date with Old Sparky for as long as possible. His likely motive for the killing: he was royally pissed off that a pro-Castro twerp had murdered a president he admired, and he was just nuts enough to act on his anger.
Then there would be an exit wound out the back left.
Since you are now the "expert":
Why does not JFK head rock back when hit from the front... O' Wait it doesn't....
Why is there no gaping hole in the back of his head when the kinetic energy explodes out the exit wound?... O'Wait..there isn't one...it's in the front...
Instead his head is pushed forward by the force of the bullet hitting the rear of his head...
Hope you didn't pay too much for that degree...
As far as I can see the movement of his head slightly forward at the time of impact is as much kinetic energy as can be physically transferred into the human body. He was not shot from the front or any grassy knoll. He was shot from above and/or behind, but definitely not from the front. I'm not opposed to the idea that there was another shooter close to/on the ground somewhere near being inline with the motorcade exit route making the kill shot. The other shots were definitely from above.
Respecting your beliefs- there are many who believe visually what they then have filled in with detail by others— who have been proven incorrect. There are two areas where people naturally believe what some have said happened (in the case of Oliver Stone, the looney tried to portray 6 shots— never any part of a factual conclusion).
First is the “from the front right” shot (ie. the “grassy knoll” concept) and the head motion. Forensic neurologists have studied the human body’s reaction to a bullet penetration, to include spinal insult, nerve dermatomes affected, reflex responses, and all kinds of head wound penetrations. The horrible fact is that the last of the three shots came from behind and exited JFK’s frontal brain cavity taking it away forward and upwards(visible, again horribly in frame 313 of the zapruder film)and the forensic neurophysiologists in the Warren Commission and many other later experts described the involuntary reflex response of the neck and back muscles jerking the torso backwards in response. It is textbook for their profession in legal testimony in the courtroom. And a normal response would be— “how can that be”? It is well defined.
Second, the ballistics done at the first and several other investigations, with increasingly technological advances (including sound analysis and timing of the shots)concluded there were three shots fired with one missing, and testing the timing of an expert (oswald was) with the bolt action mannlicher carbine, getting off three shots in 5.6 seconds (corresponding to the films examined and their rate of speed of recording-again a gruesome task but critical.
The whole series of events are in my youth memory— including live watching of Ruby shooting oswald. They were nasty times of a different kind from our hi-tech instant satellite kind of terror today. And Castro, and the mob had the motivation, logistics and skills to support a cut-out nut communist (communists are known to detest Catholic leaders of the free world and otherwise). How much better our world today would have been if LBJ had not been president-the lives saved in Vietnam for example- how much further the US would have progressed vs. where we have ended up. JFK was a Constitutionalist and his death started the defeat of our Constitution on a different path. Deo Vindice.
As a sidelight to this story, Oliver did not come forward until years later. In the movie JFK which she was a consultant to, she said that "if they can kill a President, what are they going to do to a showgirl?"
Oliver was (and is a singer) but back then she worked as a showgirl in a club next to Jack Ruby's Carousel Club. She claimed that Jack Ruby introduced her to his friend Lee (of course, that was Lee Harvey Oswald) and her statements said that Ruby and Oswald were more than just acquaintances.
Beverly plays another significant role in this "mystery." She says in her book and in several interviews that the last two shots were fired Ba-Boom. While in about the same place she was when the actual shots were fired, she says when shots were fired when the movie was being made, she did NOT hear any echoes. As you may know, the US gubermint said the multitude of witnesses who said they heard BANG-BANG for the last two noises they heard were told they heard echoes, NOT two separate shots. This video shows there is a way to PROVE that the US government was wrong about their echo interpretation.
Once you know that the last two shots were fired BANG-BANG, you know:
1. A conspiracy killed JFK as a lone gunman could not have fired two shots a split second apart with a bolt action rifle
2. When you compare the official "story" with the actual shooting information it proves the fix was in, the US gubermint could not have made so many mistakes without trying.
3. Identifying the "mistakes" made by the US gubermint quickly shows WHO was behind the murder. Knowing "who" quickly converges to knowing WHY JFK was killed.
This has never been a mystery, it has always been a lie.
Few Americans have enough sense to realize that this information is sufficient to prove the US government lied. It is important today because if they could kill a President in front of hundreds of people, telling any other lie is child's play by comparison. For example, have the presstitutes figured out why Hussein Obama lied about what happened in Benghazi? Have the presstitutes figured out why Hussein Obama lied about his Dumbocare? Fool the presstitutes and Americans wonder what happened even though the answers are right in front of you.
Yes, Ruby knew he was terminal, I lived through those times, the fact he had cancer was known and reported on the news almost immediately, and he died 4 years after killing Oswald, 4 years is a short time. Jack Ruby was a known criminal, he was not exactly your patriot type. He had other reasons(probably hired to do so)for killing Oswald, it certainly wasn’t out of love for country or Kennedy.
Ruby was very distraught about the assassination. That’s why he killed Oswald. But he never would have had that particular opportunity if not for the change in shirt...
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