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PT Standards in Question for Women in Combat
Military.com ^ | November 14, 2013 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 11/18/2013 10:48:36 AM PST by QT3.14

The Marine Corps may have to change its physical standards in order to put females in positions to one day lead infantry platoons in combat.

Both the Marine Corps and the Army continue to wrestle with the mandate that former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta issued in January, directing the U.S. military to open hundreds of combat-arms jobs that have been closed to female servicemembers.

So far, the Marines have been out ahead.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bhodod; combat; military; militarywomen; usmilitary; womenincombat
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To: GladesGuru

<< My female handgun students take to guns like the proverbial duck to water >>

That’s my experience also. My fellow males, however, treat the trigger like a hand exercise device and blame the gun for all their mistakes.


61 posted on 11/18/2013 2:55:12 PM PST by Klaatu Barada Nikto (Liberty is not a Loophole)
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To: jsanders2001

Then place them in positions as E-3 female sharpshooters who can’t hump their ammo.


62 posted on 11/18/2013 2:57:54 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: GladesGuru
Dat’s why the USSR had mostly female surgeons.

So the Soviets had superior surgeons to America because females make better surgeons than men?

63 posted on 11/18/2013 3:08:00 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: Venturer

That’s why Obama and his fellow travelers are doing it. Destroy it from within.


64 posted on 11/18/2013 3:57:09 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Boogieman
"News flash: we haven’t had a draft in the US for four decades"

Yeah, yeah - still: avoiding service is still unpatriotic cowardice, isn't it?

65 posted on 11/18/2013 4:39:27 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: jsanders2001; DariusBane

Big difference between shooting well at a range and aiming at a living person and killing him. We have always had a lot of trouble getting young men to aim their weapons effectively in combat. It will be much worse with young women. Mixing men and women in combat units will reduce our already precarious effectiveness.


66 posted on 11/18/2013 4:51:15 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

Well, we’re a country of 300 million people, so no, I can’t really agree with that sentiment. We don’t need a standing army of millions of people drawing government paychecks in peacetime just to prove how patriotic they are.


67 posted on 11/18/2013 4:54:56 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Yeah, sure. It's always somebody else's job to learn the skills and to take the risks for their country, isn't it? Two kinds of people in this country: those who saddle up and shoulder the responsibility and those that talk a good game about loving their country and embracing conservative values but don't lift a finger.

Of the 300 million, half are male. Of those, about 2/3rds are underage or overage for military service - so that makes 50 million or so eligible for the uniform and the necessary training and skills to defend the rest.

What was your excuse?

68 posted on 11/18/2013 5:05:58 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
What was your excuse?

Maybe he was making the money to pay for your paycheck? How much profit did you create as a soldier? Someone needs to fund the military, yes? Or were you a "true" volunteer, serving your country without asking for any pay?

Wait, you mean you accepted MONEY for your service? What are you, some kind of mercenary scum?!?! A TRUE patriot would have refused his paycheck as being unworthy of him. He would have served just for his duty to God and country!!!

Thanks for proving the general adage that those most ready to engage in a d*ck-waving contest are usually those with the smallest "investments." Military service doesn't mean you aren't still an a**hole (see John McCain)...

69 posted on 11/18/2013 6:12:59 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

You’re the worst kind of rationalizer: while you and those like you were finding excuses for avoiding military service, people like me were facing fire. I got hit like many others and I spent a year in the hospital. Do you really think the “ paycheck” was worth that?

As far as the homosexual references go, I’ll leave that kind of thing to you.


70 posted on 11/18/2013 6:43:58 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

“so that makes 50 million or so eligible for the uniform and the necessary training and skills to defend the rest.”

Yes, exactly. Of course, they needn’t all serve at the same time, but say 10% of them at any given time, and it would take a 5 million man standing army. Just to satisfy your demand that people prove their patriotism.

I don’t know about you, but I am against expanding government needlessly. You might want to pay more taxes for that kind of waste, but I will pass.


71 posted on 11/18/2013 7:00:09 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Sure. You avoiding risking your skin just to keep government small. I’m sure the risk of death or injury had nothing to with it. Luckily, we had better folks available.
I am heartily sick of the excuses I hear while a shrinking pool of “other people’s children” have to bear the burdens to keep this country safe.


72 posted on 11/18/2013 7:05:36 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

You can keep trying to turn this into a personal flame war against me, or we can have a discussion about the issue at hand. Both of them are not going to happen.


73 posted on 11/18/2013 7:08:24 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

I don’t think further discussion is useful. I have the utmost respect for those few who are serving or have served their country in the armed forces.

Little or no interest in those who were capable yet let someone else take their place.


74 posted on 11/18/2013 7:14:30 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

That i wouldn’t know about. I imagine some won’t shoot to kill until they really really have to.


75 posted on 11/18/2013 8:26:42 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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The military has no leadership now. The Commandant of the Marine Corps is a cowering careerist who would jail combat Marines for peeing on dead enemies. The Air Force is waging a jihad against Christians in the ranks. The Army went some time ago, when its senior leader lamented , not the deaths of a dozen unarmed soldiers , but the fact that Major Hassan’s crime could hurt “diversity.” Momma , don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers, airmen, or marines. At least not until snakes like General Amos have slinked away.
76 posted on 11/18/2013 9:41:35 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin); Chainmail
Maybe he was making the money to pay for your paycheck? How much profit did you create as a soldier? Someone needs to fund the military, yes? Or were you a "true" volunteer, serving your country without asking for any pay? Wait, you mean you accepted MONEY for your service? What are you, some kind of mercenary scum?!?! A TRUE patriot would have refused his paycheck as being unworthy of him. He would have served just for his duty to God and country!!! Thanks for proving the general adage that those most ready to engage in a d*ck-waving contest are usually those with the smallest "investments."

I haven't seen such a disgusting post in years, it was also as childish as they come, especially the part about GIs having the least invested in serving in the military.

If you had a point or an insult to make to that poster, you proved grossly incompetent at it.

77 posted on 11/18/2013 9:49:19 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

Read his original post that I responded to, pal. First of all, he’s making a lot of assumptions about the folks posting here (as to who has or has not served). Second of all, if you needed a sarcasm tag, I’m sorry I didn’t post one, but I thought it would be obvious.

We could all narrowly define what we thought was and was not “patriotic” based on our own personal choices (if you haven’t run for political office you’re not a “true” patriot, etc.), but to do so is hypocritical. Moreover, actually read the thread. A poster asked what PT stood for (joking about the acronym usage) and got a nice demeaning reply (followed by attacks on other posters based on their lack of military service). If that’s the hill you want to die on...


78 posted on 11/19/2013 3:06:30 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Chainmail

> Big difference between shooting well at a range and aiming at a living person and killing him. We have always had a lot of trouble getting young men to aim their weapons effectively in combat. It will be much worse with young women. Mixing men and women in combat units will reduce our already precarious effectiveness.

I agree. I think they will be a distraction and a liability on the battlefield in general. Of course this is the plan.


79 posted on 11/19/2013 3:26:54 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Allow me to clarify: from our Revolution to now, the primary emphasis on patriotic duty was for men to risk their lives in combat against our country's adversaries. My family, like nearly every other American family, has several generations of men serving during all of our wars. The phenomenon of "patriotic" service avoiders is relatively recent.

My own experience has been that the very best young men - and now women - still understand that their duty is to spend at least some small part of their time learning the skills of war and maybe losing everything for everyone's freedoms/the survival of our country. For those who have served in combat, their lives are changed. For those who have been wounded, they have to live with the limitations and pain every day. For those who have lost family members, that hole in their lives will never be filled.

There is no higher patriotism than serving your country in combat. Sitting at home and paying taxes is more or less patriotic but in the end it just means that you were warm, safe and comfy while other good lives took the burden for you.

In short, you should have the good grace not to trumpet your lack of service as some sort of higher calling. It wasn't.

80 posted on 11/19/2013 5:51:53 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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