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Could Virginia Start Forcing MD's to Accept Medicare & Medicaid Patients?
Breitbart ^ | 11/3/2013 | Kerry Picket

Posted on 11/03/2013 1:54:28 PM PST by markomalley

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To: markomalley

Could Virginia become a state with no doctors?


61 posted on 11/03/2013 3:43:44 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: only1percent
Few doctors refuse Medicare, and many could not keep their doors open without Medicare patients. Require that Medicaid be accepted to be able to bill other patients to Medicare would put docs in quite bind.

I wonder how that would change, though, if they fail to pass the annual "doc fix" and let reimbursement rates drop by 32% (as they would if a "doc fix" is not put in place by January).

Getting rid of the "doc fix" was one of the premises that were used to make the numbers work out for Obamacare.

62 posted on 11/03/2013 3:47:24 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

The Dimocratic party at many levels is still tied to the pre-industrial revolution world view.

If they are stupid enough to go through with this farce then Virginia could become the first state with no doctors. Medical skills are extremely portable. Force doctors to do things that aren’t in their best interests and you will see such a flight of medical personnel (doctors and nurses) that Virginia will be unable to legally open a single clinic much less a major trauma hospital.


63 posted on 11/03/2013 3:48:26 PM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: AUsome Joy

I think I should be entitled to free legal care.


64 posted on 11/03/2013 3:56:42 PM PST by des
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To: Noob1999

You are dangerous and NOT a newbie. Calm down... IOW eff off! Very dangerous!


65 posted on 11/03/2013 4:04:57 PM PST by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Ayn’s first shot went thru the bullseye, and thru *that* hole, went her remaining shots.

As the Obama Administration and its advocates, are determined to make doctors into being enemies of the leftists’ Thought Police State.


66 posted on 11/03/2013 4:06:15 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Nip
Skills may be portable but licensure is not. Many states do not reciprocate medical and dental license to prevent doctors from gathering and driving down fees. Florida is very restrictive and many over-qualified clinicians have been denied license after taking remedial courses at local schools. They get them on practical exams where the scoring is subjective.

So I imagine the Goon Squads will visit the State Board Directors and ensure they deny those docs from Red states. Oops - I meant Blue.

OK can we FLIP THE COLORS and call the commies by their real color - RED.

Its silly to call patriots Red. Thanks!

67 posted on 11/03/2013 4:06:29 PM PST by corkoman
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To: steve86

Basically you’re right. It really depends on what types of procedures you do, how many patients you see and how efficient you are. In some cases, you simply cannot offer certain treatment to patients because the reimbursement per hour is too low. That’s the problem with government fiat pricing; in some cases, the fee is too low,and other times it’s too high. But like a broken clock, it’s right twice a day.
But as reimbursement for providers trends downward, the tipping point at which a service cannot be provided will become commonplace to a point where it is impossible to make a profit. A patient cannot be a cost center unless providers are paid a fixed amount (capitation) and the incentive is to deny care. This is where 0-care seems to be headed. Administrators and dubious doctors will become experts in providing just enough care to avoid a patient lawsuit. And if doctors are eventually employed by the state or Feds, there will be no lawsuits.
As far as co-pays and deductibles are concerned, more and more, they will have to be paid in full at the point of service, because as you have correctly noted, the cost to collect this money eats into the margin.
The market system would go a long way in determining fair pricing and physicians would have an incentive to provide treatments with the greatest value as determined by the patient.


68 posted on 11/03/2013 4:20:51 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: markomalley

If McAuliffe is elected.


69 posted on 11/03/2013 4:21:27 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Phil
Hate to be a politician that votes for this and then need a doctor for an operation.

Not a problem for the political class. There are whores in every profession, medicine included. With the deep pockets of the taxpayer at their disposal, the despots will meet the necessary price of the medical whores. Count on it.

70 posted on 11/03/2013 4:25:37 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: grumpygresh
Or, you can be really honest with the patient and tell them, look, I’m losing money by seeing you, do you really want me to take care of you under these conditions? How many people actually want to receive care from someone that has no incentive to provide the care?

If you look at the Canadian commenters on some of these articles, they say they don't want their doctors to make a lot of money because they want to only have doctors who "really care" about them, not ones who are just trying to "get rich." Of course we hear the same thing here about insurance companies, how they're useless because all they do is get rich off of people's medical problems. Underpinning all of this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how and why capitalism works. You in essence have to end up talking to liberals and LOFO voters as if they are kindergarteners, but that is the level at which their education on capitalism stands these days.

71 posted on 11/03/2013 4:27:30 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Koblenz
As big of a problem is that Medicaid patients have the highest no-show rate. Doctors schedule patients, and then they don’t show up. This happens with every type of covered person, but for Medicaid, it’s much higher than the general population. I guess the Medicaid patients are too busy not working or something.

If you don't have to pay for something yourself, you don't value or appreciate it. Some places can say they'll charge you anyway if you don't show up, but why would a Medicaid patient care when they're not paying anything towards the bill either way?

72 posted on 11/03/2013 4:30:15 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
But then again, before HIPAA there used to be a sacrosanct doctor-patient confidentiality. W. Bush decided that terrorist doctors and terrorist patients had to be stripped of that confidentiality, or the terrorists would win.

HIPAA was passed in 1996.

73 posted on 11/03/2013 4:32:27 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: steve86
Also, I have never understood why some practices can afford to see significant numbers of Medicaid/Medicare patients and others can't. Differences in overhead, time spent with patients, type of practitioner who actually sees the patient, minimum earnings expectation... what is the explanation?

Maybe if you take a lot of them you can account for the ones that aren't going to show up using the law of large numbers. If you just take 1 a day you can't risk that they won't show up by scheduling someone else for the same time. But if you take 6 a day you can schedule 8, knowing that generally 25% won't show up.

Medicaid patients once made up more than 40 percent of Florence Pediatric Dentistry’s client list, but the practice no longer accepts Medicaid because those patients frequently missed appointments and because the Medicaid agency reimbursed the office poorly for its services, Elvington said.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130616/PC16/130619545

74 posted on 11/03/2013 4:38:07 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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75 posted on 11/03/2013 4:44:57 PM PST by HotHunt
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To: markomalley

If they can force bakeries run by Christians to bake wedding cakes for homos, they can force doctors to treat everyone/anyone.


76 posted on 11/03/2013 4:46:28 PM PST by Veggie Todd (I don't always talk to Obama voters, but when I do I ask for Large Fries.)
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To: Blackhawk
South Carolina, too. Check out the upstate. But don't bring any Democrats with you.

Don't let them visit, either.

77 posted on 11/03/2013 5:22:27 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: gfbtbb

Kathleen Murphy is a lawyer. Do you expect a lawyer to care about anything but fees and power?


78 posted on 11/03/2013 5:23:11 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: rollo tomasi

You know—that’s the first really good idea I’ve heard in a long time. Gambling and medical care on the reservation—Cherokee, North Carolina.


79 posted on 11/03/2013 5:25:49 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: upchuck

Hey Upchuck,

I’m not a doctor, but my wife and I just bought a house in SC. We’re looking forward to moving out of the Peoples Republic of Illinois real soon. I may recommend the same to my doctor.


80 posted on 11/03/2013 5:26:27 PM PST by twoputt
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