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To: nathanbedford

It raises several possibilities.

Delaying it is a win for us...Getting it to Obama where he vetos the bill is a win for us.

I think it all comes down to sticking together.

If the Rinos in the Senate vote against cloture this time, it might make a difference and force Reid to take the bill apart.

I think Boehner is doing the right thing.


122 posted on 09/28/2013 12:01:41 PM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: nikos1121

And the fact is that Obama has allowed another portion of the plan to be delayed, so they can’t argue that all must be done at once.


281 posted on 09/28/2013 5:59:10 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: nikos1121
Delaying it is a win for us...Getting it to Obama where he vetos the bill is a win for us.

Right! We are taking arbitrary control of the government away from Obama and Reid and restoring responsible government to the Constitution and to the people; nothing but good possibilities present themselves if the Republicans can hang together.

It looks more and more likely that there will be at least a short-term shutdown and then the question becomes, who takes the blame? And that is relevant only in as much as it affects the upcoming elections.

No one can say that Ted Cruz played fast and loose because he has explicitly made clear from the very beginning that when the government shuts down that is when politicians have to justify themselves by justifying their actions to the people. If the Republicans cannot win this argument, even in the teeth of the media lying as we have already seen about who is actually shutting down the government, let's find Republicans who can win an argument like this.

Low information voters will accept at face value what the media tells them but they also have the attention span of a gnat. The midterm election, however, is more than a year away. The Republican base and higher information voters have a longer memory and are capable of making a more comprehensive assessment. They are more likely to vote for the people who are straightening out the government; they are more likely to vote against people who were shutting down the government to protect Obamacare. Their memories are longer their insights are treuer. Black voters are lost anyway.

The Republicans who are running scared should consider that the presidential elections, where low information voters have the most influence, are three years away. House Republicans face election next year but most of them are quite safe. They have very little at risk. Republican senators in my judgment have more at risk but not very much. First, only those who are up for reelection next year have an immediate problem. And only those who are up for election next year who are from a weak state have a problem. Of that diminished number of Senators who have a problem some already have some cover. We are not talking about very many senators at all.

If the Republican national committee were more interested in good governance rather than in pandering to K St. and the mainstream media, they would make plans now to protect those senators. Instead, for the last few years they have concentrated on killing the messenger. The problem is not the messenger, Ted Cruz, the problem is Obamacare and the subsidiary problem is the Rinos who missplace their anger.


322 posted on 09/28/2013 7:49:32 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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