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Lavabit (email service) owner fears arrest for non-compliance after secret surveillance order
RT ^ | 8/17/13

Posted on 08/18/2013 4:37:52 AM PDT by Libloather

The owner of the encrypted email service used by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden says he could face criminal charges for refusing to comply with a secret federal court order issued last week.

Ladar Levison abruptly shut down his company, Lavabit LLC, last week to avoid being forced to hand over customers’ personal information and communications.

James Trump, a senior litigation counsel at the US attorney’s office in Alexandria, Virginia, contacted Levinson’s lawyer on August 8 - the day Levinson ended Lavabit’s services, NBC News reported. The attorney was told that Levison had “violated the court order,” leading to speculation that he may be charged with contempt of court.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: benghazi; edwardsnowden; email; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; ladarlevison; lavabit; lavabitllc; nsa; secret
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To: Black Agnes

So how do we GET a conservative media that is not afraid to tell the truth and that reaches large numbers of people? How do we get REAL freedom of the press - where the people speaking are actually free to say what is true?

I’m sure this is going to be another double post. Sorry about that. Server error every other time I try to post.


51 posted on 08/18/2013 11:52:30 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I have for a long time believed that the years of President Wilson were just a noticeable political fence post in the subjugation of the USA Constitution to foreign powers, government, and especially financial. Europeans in the ilk of the Rothchilds were dismayed and frightened by the rise of a free government such as the USA. The depression years of the 1930s was a big opportunity for the socialism and elitism of FDR who tried to pack the SC so he would have favorable rulings for his programs. WWII made FDR stop and take a look at what was going on in the world. The USA by then was betwixt and between the two terrible groups of fascism and socialism. I’m sure a choice had to be made and for the USA looking at the guns of Japan the better choice was made. However, after extricating the Nation from the choice of WWII the politicians in the USA again under foreign influences put the USA on the political auction block such as the United Nations. It has been such for years but now exacerbated by all the feely-goody indoctrination especially as to Muslims, Latinos and even Eastern European criminal refugees.


52 posted on 08/18/2013 12:29:42 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Almondjoy

You do realize that is hidden from you, your attorney and the courts is that the information was secretly (and illegally) obtained by the NSA, and then “laundered” to make it appear as if it was obtained legally.

Try to keep up with the news, if you are going to get snarky.


53 posted on 08/18/2013 1:05:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

typo: “you do realize that WHAT is hidden from you” etc.


54 posted on 08/18/2013 1:07:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: butterdezillion

Well, Jeff Bezos just bought the Washington Post for $250 million.

Surely there are million/billion/butterdezillion-aires somewhere within the conservative ranks?


55 posted on 08/18/2013 1:20:50 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: null and void; Old Sarge

If it’s not a baby...yer not pregnant


56 posted on 08/18/2013 1:23:11 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: butterdezillion
So how do we GET a conservative media that is not afraid to tell the truth and that reaches large numbers of people? How do we get REAL freedom of the press - where the people speaking are actually free to say what is true?

Do you really want to hear the answer?

57 posted on 08/18/2013 1:36:14 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Libloather

Paging Anonymous. Please pick up the red courtesy phone...


58 posted on 08/18/2013 3:05:25 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Almondjoy

Lol. How cute. It is impossible to use it against you IN an OPEN court, but it definitely is not impossible to use it against you. For example, we now have SECRET courts eg FISA. And numerous SWATTed up non-judicial fedgov agencies.


59 posted on 08/18/2013 3:13:12 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Are they willing to tell the truth? Willing to face the risk that they’ll be tagged an Alex Jones right out of the gate? How will they establish their credibility, and with who?

Glenn Beck dutifully mocked the birthers, to keep his secretary safe. Then he created his own media company. But he couldn’t come clean on the birther issue without admitting that he lied when lives had been threatened and wouldn’t expose the lies he knew had been happening. Since then he’s tried to break some big stories but knew it couldn’t come from him because it would just be written off as crazy talk. Even with absolute proof that he handed off to the supposedly “credible” news sources, he could not get any editor to allow the reporters’ stories to run.

This is part of the reason I say that we have to have people who mocked the “birthers” come clean. It’s the only way to start over. I believe Breitbart was about to do that but the government listened in on his phone conversation with Joe Arpaio, knew he was thinking about turning and had the credibility, resources, and new willingness to turn things around, and so they killed him less than 5 hours later. The story that Michael Hastings was working on, about John Brennan, could well have included information about Brennan’s role in sanitizing Obama’s passport record. And he also IMMEDIATELY ended up dead in suspicious circumstances that the LAPD refused to investigate.

For the media to come clean on this issue is the thug regime’s worst nightmare. Whoever gave the signed statement to Doug Hagman has the ability to turn this country around. What he needs is the courage to do it. And a country that he and his family can get asylum from.


60 posted on 08/18/2013 3:43:32 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Old Sarge

I’d LOVE to hear the answer.


61 posted on 08/18/2013 3:47:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Travis McGee

I wonder what would happen if David Petraeus sued the US government for illegally retrieving his emails and making them public. That was done in full view of everybody for no legal purpose. Just to get him to step down so they could get a yes-man in there to cover for Benghazi. IMHO.


62 posted on 08/18/2013 3:50:21 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Crazieman

I think many of us would put our lives on the line to stand up for principle. But most of us are susceptible to some threat or other. Would you put your child’s life on the line? Your spouse? Your parents?

This story must be getting really close to some really big secrets if they’ve got people this scared.

Most of us who are patriotic would be more than happy to keep secrets in the interest of national security. But not to cover for political corruption.


63 posted on 08/18/2013 6:07:47 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Travis McGee

I have not seen an example of this... do you actually have a case? So far the NSA scandal has been data collection, phone calls, etc. Do you have proof that illegally obtained information was used in an actual court case? Further more until the Supreme Court says otherwise, FISA is a legal entity whether you like it or not. You may beleive it’s unconstitutional but that doesn’t make it so. You should choose your words carefully.


64 posted on 08/19/2013 6:57:16 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Travis McGee

I have not seen an example of this... do you actually have a case? So far the NSA scandal has been data collection, phone calls, etc. Do you have proof that illegally obtained information was used in an actual court case? Further more until the Supreme Court says otherwise, FISA is a legal entity whether you like it or not. You may beleive it’s unconstitutional but that doesn’t make it so. You should choose your words carefully.


65 posted on 08/19/2013 6:57:19 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Gaffer

What if the secret they told you was, “You are correct, we are operating outside of the boundaries of the constitution. There are many programs that operate this way. We will kill you and perhaps your family if you breath a word of this. We monitor everything. Now go along your way and live.”

Tough call - No?


66 posted on 08/19/2013 7:32:15 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Almondjoy

Did you miss the NSA/DEA illegal surveillance laundering news of the past few weeks?

Google it.


67 posted on 08/19/2013 8:08:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Almondjoy

Did you miss the NSA/DEA illegal surveillance laundering news of the past few weeks?

Google it.


68 posted on 08/19/2013 8:08:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Almondjoy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennifergranick/2013/08/14/nsa-dea-irs-lie-about-fact-that-americans-are-routinely-spied-on-by-our-government-time-for-a-special-prosecutor-2/


69 posted on 08/19/2013 8:17:40 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Almondjoy
From a lefty.

More Surveillance Abuse Exposed! Special DEA Unit Is Spying On Americans And Covering It Up--Forbes: Rick Ungar 8/05/2013.

70 posted on 08/19/2013 8:22:26 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Triple

If they were, they wouldn’t warn or threaten. They would ‘do’. There are many Obama functionaries that are already there. There are still a lot of career employees that aren’t and never will be there.


71 posted on 08/19/2013 8:53:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Almondjoy

Yeah. Right.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/uk-dea-irs-idUKBRE9761B620130807

“As Reuters reported Monday, the Special Operations Division of the DEA funnels information from overseas NSA intercepts, domestic wiretaps, informants and a large DEA database of telephone records to authorities nationwide to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans. The DEA phone database is distinct from a NSA database disclosed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

Monday’s Reuters report cited internal government documents that show that law enforcement agents have been trained to conceal how such investigations truly begin - to “recreate” the investigative trail to effectively cover up the original source of the information.”


72 posted on 08/19/2013 10:13:47 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: yldstrk; trebb
I am with you, I am disgusted by what America has become

Give it 3 more years and it will be unrecognizable.

73 posted on 08/19/2013 5:48:25 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: butterdezillion

You make some excellent points.

I have never shied away from being called a birther. I explain to anyone who is interested that I don’t necessarily believe Zippy was born in Kenya, but I don’t believe either they nor I can say where he was born. I point out that the purported BC posted online is an obvious forgery. I point out that the only reason I can imagine for a forgery is because Zippy is hiding something. Whether it is his place of birth, his date of birth, his parents’ names - who knows.

I am not afraid of being mocked. None of us should be when the facts are on our side. It’s like being bullied until you say “uncle.” I refuse to say it. If someone bullies you into saying you’re a kangaroo, that doesn’t mean you really are one. It just means you’ve been bullied and you’ve given in. Same is true for being bullied into saying the usurper is eligible to be POTUS. It doesn’t make it true.

FReepers! Don’t be bullied! Demand facts.


74 posted on 08/19/2013 6:39:34 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Almondjoy

“You should choose your words carefully.”

Or else what, exactly? Is that some kind of threat or warning? About whom?


75 posted on 08/19/2013 6:56:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Almondjoy

“that it’s impossible to use information against you if it’s hidden from the court.”

No, it is not. The judge can see “classified” information that you cannot, and you cannot cross examine the information. Just like confidential informants can remain out of view in court; their names are not released and they do not have to testify.


76 posted on 08/19/2013 6:59:06 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Almondjoy

” have not seen an example of this”

Then do try to keep up. The use of NSA data by other federal agencies is breaking nearly daily now.


77 posted on 08/19/2013 7:01:48 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

Calm down.. I was suggesting that because you are making claims you can’t back up. Spreading fear for the sake of spreading fear is a mistake.


78 posted on 08/19/2013 8:13:42 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Black Agnes

While disturbing in some regards, it doesn’t back up the claim that NSA information is used against defendants. In fact the article actually describes that the information cannot be used, it simply opens up an investigation which clues the government into wrong doing and then a case that would actually have to hold up in court has to be created with REAL evidence that would be used for all to see in court.

We could go back to the fact of whether or not an investigation should of even gotten started because of the “spying”, but it actually goes to my point that NSA information is not being hidden from the courts and then used against defendants to put them away.


79 posted on 08/19/2013 8:16:48 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: CodeToad

First off the cartoon says that the information is withheld from the court, so your comment about a judge seeing “classfied” information is actually off topic.


80 posted on 08/19/2013 8:18:07 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

It’s fruit of the poison tree. All of it.


81 posted on 08/19/2013 9:01:39 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Almondjoy

If you kept up with the news you would know that the NSA has been sharing information with federal agencies who then lie about where the information came from. So, no, comments to that affect were not untrue as you claimed.


82 posted on 08/20/2013 6:11:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

Read post 79 in response to post 72.


83 posted on 08/20/2013 7:27:54 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Libloather

I’m surprised he even has anything to give them. Back in the day when anonymous remailers were the rage amongst crypto-anarchists, the logs and such were routinely routed straight to /dev/null. You can’t be forced to turn over that which you do not have.


84 posted on 08/20/2013 4:21:05 PM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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To: omega4179
one of the two entrepreneurs that closed secure email corps last week said what they threatened was so secret he could not even tell his lawyer what he was threatened with.

Any order such as this should be completely ignored by anyone interested in securing justice.

85 posted on 08/20/2013 4:23:09 PM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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