BREAKING: FAA: UPS jet crashes in Birmingham, Ala.

CBS 12 News ^ | August 14, 2013 | Michele Wright

[radec]

The video I saw this morning on CNN would have had the aircraft way above the treeline and on a downward trajectory. It actually looked like a meteorite heading to earth. The vertical speed component from flightaware matches the video as well. I’m not sure what caused the aircraft to catch fire at that altitude.

[Yosemitest]

I'm not buying the missile theory, and I haven't seen any video to support that.
Can you provide a link?

[Yosemitest]

If you go back to comment #111, under RUNWAY 36 Obstructions: you'll read

" 76 ft. trees, 1736 ft. from runway, 392 ft. left of centerline, 20:1 slope to clear "

Those trees 76 foot above the end of the runway would be 1,736 feet short of the landing threshold of Runway 18, at 392 feet right of centerline, and it takes a 20 to 1 slope to clear them (be 500 foot above them).
Those are probably the trees United Parcel Service Flight 1354 clipped during his approach to Runway 18.

[Yosemitest]

Also on comment #111 RUNWAY 18 Obstructions: you'll read

"16 ft. gnd, 615 ft. from runway, 26:1 slope to clear"

That's probably the hill or ground obstruction 16 ft high, 615 feet short of landing threshold, and it requires a steeper 26 to 1 ratio descent to clear.

[Yosemitest]

Reference the vertical descent rate and speed, if you'll notice the radar scan at 05:30 AM here,

you'll see a line of weather that United Parcel Service Flight 1354 had to either fly over or fly through
and that line of weather was approaching Birmingham Airport,
and that's probably the reason for the faster speed on descent out of cruse altitude.

[Yosemitest]

Also, that line of weather was probably the source of any micro-burst or lightening strikes during United Parcel Service Flight 1354’s final approach, and any lightening strikes and thunderous booms after the crash

[SgtBob]

The 08/035 indicates the 35th NOTAM for BHM for the month of August. The rest of the NOTAM is not shown...it would be the times/dates effective.

That said, it was not closed this AM.

[merkator]

Here is the actual weather observation (METAR) from ADDS. This was the official observation at the time of the accident.

KBHM 140953Z 34004KT 10SM FEW011 BKN035 OVC075 23/22 A2997 RMK AO2 SLP141 T02330222

The ceiling was 3,500 feet and one at 7,500 feet. Few at 1,100 feet does not constitute a ceiling.

[radec]

I didn’t say missile, you did. lmao.

I must admit this does look a lot like TWA 800. TWA 800 was brought down by a missile. Several witnesses (including pilots) saw an ascending flame before TWA 800 exploded. Just google twa 800 coverup for more info.

The telemetry indicates something catastrophic happened on the ups flight before the crash.

[SgtBob]

“Since Center runs all traffic on a standard day Altimeter of 29.92, that’s a difference of 700 feet, and a pilot can have an Altimeter difference of 250 feet without correction.”

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Just what the hell is this kinda bilge are you spillin’? Who’s arse are ya pullin’ this from? You might start pulling for the conspiracy theory folk on this thread, b’cause you have NO IDEA ON HOW TO COMMIT AVIATION, LET ALONE SPEAK OF IT!

machogirl says she doesn’t have much of a clue, and you are trying to be machodud, and fill her in with all the “facts”. The gal don’t stand a chance in understanding a chart, NOTAM, or anything to do with aviation with your ignorance on display, though unappearent to he, and others on this thead.

Get yer arse out from in front of FSX, and earn your ASEL...

[radec]

A 5500 fpm descent is ridiculously fast. Your link shows that those storms weren’t even close and it was earlier reported that weather wasn’t a factor.

[SgtBob]

“unappearent to “he” = “her”

fast fingers=fat fingers

[machogirl]

Whoa Nelly

[cookcounty]

Don’t know much about the aviation technics, but when I worked for FedEx, I used to fly up jumpseat from Chicago to Anchorage an the A300. Six First-Class seats with huge legroom right behind the flight deck (of course, you do have to stare at the Haz containers, knowing they’re going to flatten your face in any crash).

[Monkey Face]

Ooops! My bad! I misunderestimated what I read!

;o]

[Yosemitest]

"Few at 1,100 feet does not constitute a ceiling."

I agree.
I've only got 30 years of experience as an air traffic controller.
Where did that Bloomberg Article get that "FlightAware said" there had been a report of a Broken Ceiling at 700 feet?
I couldn't find it anywhere.

[Yosemitest]

I haven’t seen anything that would support that accusation.

[Yosemitest]

I've got plenty of experience, and I'll admit that it was a 70 foot difference and not a 700 foot difference.
What's your experience?
How many friends have you got working Center airspace as an air traffic controller?

[Yosemitest]

When you catch a severe downdraft during a rapid descent, because you’re NOT HAULING PASSENGERS, BUT CARGO, what do you expect?

[Yosemitest]

It was about 15 minutes before the accident.
WHERE do you think that line of weather moved to during that fifteen minutes?
It was the only radar image I could find that was even close to the accident and it is very revealing into what the Airbus 300 went through.