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To: ansel12
Yet libertarians and the left share much, conservatism is your enemy, something that you both desire to defeat and overcome.

Don't confuse me with the libertarians. I'm an independent.

Yes, the left and libertarians agree on many things. But they also disagree on many things, and the biggest disagreement (size and power of government) will prevent them from ever working together.

The absolutists in both groups (libertarians and conservatives) undermine themselves: they are too busy fighting each other to band together and defeat the left on issues on economic and civil liberty issues.

Meanwhile, the left is able to set aside their differences and build a coalition that puts them in power to defeat conservatives on all the issues. They do it largely by demonizing conservatives over hot button issues that affect few people, but convinces them to vote against their economic self-interest.

72 posted on 08/03/2013 8:43:50 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

“prevent them from ever working together.”

Horse****. Libertarians hate social conservatives more than they hate statism. We see it over and over again. They always side with the statists.


83 posted on 08/03/2013 8:50:48 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: justlurking
Yes, the left and libertarians agree on many things. But they also disagree on many things, and the biggest disagreement (size and power of government) will prevent them from ever working together.

Libertarians are the left who support conservative economics, so their role when they show up among conservatives, is to turn them into liberals, while keeping their economic conservatism.

The problem is that libertarianism breeds liberal voters, not conservative voters.

84 posted on 08/03/2013 8:52:10 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: justlurking

When the absolute is not killing human beings, it is good to be an absolutist.

The mental and moral incapacity to grasp that is the base point which keeps todays libertarians from comprehending why no amount of persistence or change of phrasing gains them any traction with conservatives.


164 posted on 08/03/2013 10:50:17 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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