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To: ansel12

Yes, do the math. Abortion was illegal here. Washington got involved. Now abortion is legal here. It’s almost like they didn’t care what folks around here thought about it. That’s what changed. What part of that has you confused?

Why are you inquiring as to where I stand on ending abortion at the federal level. You already know everything about where I stand on everything, don’t you? You claim to. Any minute now you will post that single leftwing social position I have promoted, or that spot where I attacked social conservatism. In my heart, I almost believe that you will. Come on, man (I might assume too much). You can do it!

I’ll make this issue easy on you. Under our Constitution, abortion is a matter left to the states, because it doesn’t fall under an enumerated power for the federal government. It’s that simple. Leaving it to the states doesn’t mean it isn’t vital, it just means that’s the way our Founders set things up. They thought it best that the federal government only have a few specific duties (please tell me if you disagree on this). They were sort of suspicious of concentrated power (again, please tell me if you disagree on this). What they didn’t anticipate was a Supreme Court that would make stuff up. I think you would have to read the Constitution in a dishonest manner (like a liberal) to see it otherwise. Since the Supreme Court usurped the 10th Amendment power of the states on abortion, it is necessary to amend the Constitution. I don’t see another alternative, apart from war, as efforts to overturn Roe have been unsuccessful.

You are arguing that abortion is a federal issue because people suddenly became aware that abortion was killing. That is absurd. Abortion was illegal prior to Roe for a reason. Namely, that reason was that people saw abortion as killing. Obviously. You don’t get that?


380 posted on 08/03/2013 6:52:32 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg
you are arguing that abortion is a federal issue because people suddenly became aware that abortion was killing. That is absurd. Abortion was illegal prior to Roe for a reason. Namely, that reason was that people saw abortion as killing. Obviously. You don’t get that?

No I don't get that because it is inaccurate, I lived through those years and remember well that there was little awareness of killing a person, the media talked in terms of nonviable tissue mass, growths, just tissue, the public did not see that abortion was actually killing a person, like they do today.

Presumably you know it though. I asked you "would you be against ending abortion at the federal level if we can"

I think your long, discouragingly negative lecture, showed that the answer is a clear yes, I can't see you doing anything but being against it. I don't detect social conservatism in you, which of course would explain why you fight social conservatives on thread after thread tirelessly, obsessively, endlessly.

415 posted on 08/03/2013 7:41:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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