[rollo tomasi]

No, I want SS gone, Medicare/Medicaid gone, the 16th Amend gone, Welfare gone, targeted tax cuts gone, and any other Federal Entitlement gone. If that stuff is staying (Which reality dictates those programs/laws are, witness the electorate LOL), I want the feds to at least maintain a logical awareness in the face of a perverted generation saying marriage is not the natural definition when those other laws were established.

What you call for is that perverted expansion by default yet you deny that for some reason.

Reality is being debated here, not some Constitutional fantasy where originality is long passed dead.

Give me some assurances that all Federal goodies are gone before you spout on with a useless thesis on why the feds should not be in the marriage business. That is not reality, reality is that you are favoring marriage expansion by the Feds (Exact opposite of what you call for). Where was the drawback of the feds recognition of marriage in today's ruling?

[JCBreckenridge]

Marriage is one of the three pillars of the common law. Removing a pillar isn’t going to get you where you want to go.

If you want smaller government, then the government needs to assert their authority in the areas in which they are permitted.

As is, the government will simply do whatever they feel like, which is a formula for unmitigated expansion. Hobbling the state from exercising their legitimate duties simply opens things right up for them to exercise illegitimate duties.

Arguing the state should not be involved in marriage really is no difference in arguing that the state should not be involved in immigration, etc.

[Orangedog]

That is not reality, reality is that you are favoring marriage expansion by the Feds (Exact opposite of what you call for).

Go find the comment you think I made on this thread where I favor the government sanctioning, let alone expanding marriage. You can't because you're just making shit up. You welfare queens are just mad that the homosexuals are going to be nosing in on all the graft you've been getting at the expense of single people.