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To: dinodino

Have you ever heard of manslaughter? Justifiable homicide? The various degrees of homicide? Self-defense? Sometimes what looks like murder turns out to be suicide. Just because someone has died under suspicious circumstances doesn’t automatically make it murder until there is a law enforcement investigation and a criminal complaint is issued, usually through an indictment by a grand jury.
Here in America, all alleged defendants are entitled to the have the burden of proof in criminal allegations fall to the government. It is a constitutional principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burden to prove his or her innocence.
Barack Obama doesn’t have to prove that his birth certificate isn’t forged, the government (city, county, state or federal) must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is forged. The first step in that process is to conduct a formal law enforcement (or congressional) investigation.


48 posted on 06/24/2013 5:53:42 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

I didn’t say anything about Obama’s birth certificate—you did. I said that I want to know why Obama’s publicist said for 16 years that he was born in Kenya! I want an explanation. The other authors represented by the same publisher said that they were asked to provide their own biographical details. This was not a typo, nor was it a fact-checking error—this was a case of Obama lying to his publicist and claiming to be born in Kenya.

I want to know where else he lied. Did Obama claim foreign birth in order to receive financial aid during college? I suspect the answer is yes, and that would mean Obama is guilty of felony fraud. You may not think this is a big deal but many Americans, including myself, would disagree with you.


50 posted on 06/24/2013 6:17:24 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Nero Germanicus

You are, again, being disingenuous. Obviously, if a man commits suicide it is not a murder. My point is that if Obama has committed student aid or Selective Service fraud, he has committed a crime, regardless of whether or not he’s yet been charged. If I murder a man, I have committed a crime, even if I have not yet been found out.


51 posted on 06/24/2013 6:20:52 PM PDT by dinodino
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