Posted on 03/26/2013 5:52:31 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
Liberals within the GOP used to have to pretend to be conservative while actually being libertarians, today they can promote abortion and homosexualizing the military and gay marriage and adoption, while calling themselves libertarian on those issues.
Libertarian Party Platform:
Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.
Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.
Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.
Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.
Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.
At the time the broad statutory definition of "sodomy" included orogenital contact, period--which meant between members of the opposite sex, too.
Whether the homos were behind the straight people wanting to engage in activity even between a husband and wife (man and woman) covered by the broad definition in those laws or not, the people I heard who were for repeal of the laws wanted more sexual freedom in their own, straight, bedrooms--without the threat of possible incarceration for sex acts with their spouse.
The homos were solidly in the closet, and could get their butt seriously kicked if people found out. There was NO 'protected class status' for them then whatsoever.
That fight wasn't even about Libertarians, it was about getting the government out of straight people's bedrooms.
Your Republican Liberty Caucus group naturally took the pro-homosexual action of fighting a sodomy and gay marriage law proposed by Texas republicans.
Here is a list of fellow pro-homosexual agenda groups considered working for the gay agenda within the right, by this homosexual site.
http://www.lavenderbutnotpink.com
Homocon Organizations
Log Cabin Republicans
Gay Republicans.
GoProud
The Rattigan Society
Gay Objectivists.
SOLO: Sense Of Life Objectivists
Gay Objectivists.
Outright Libertarians
Gay Libertarians.
Republican Liberty Caucus
For gay and gay-friendly Republicans.
Registered party affiliation, has absolutely no bearing. Actions are where the metal meets the meat. The squish repubs, the big L&l liberatrians are well known for mouthing supposed conservative/rational values, yet have excedingly, never met the mark- much less actually towed/toed the line. The last thirty years have been a tsunami of collusion, by all registered liars. We all have illusions. Glad you abhor Ron Paul, but he is only one of many, in the same self-serving guise.
Like (hypothetical example) "The Family Defense Act" might actually be legislation to provide for divorce, give preferences to homos, anything but defend the traditional family?
There is a lot of that crap going on right now (actually it has been increasing for years).
I don't trust any legislation or organization based on its name.
Washington D.C. is so overrun with homosexuals it makes San Francisco look straight, from what I have been told, and the influence exerted in the Government by staffers and flunkies so inclined vastly exceeds their proportion of the electorate.
I am adamantly opposed to their behaviour, and do not think there should be any 'special' considerations based on their sexual preferences.
My opinion of "gay marriage" is that Matrimony is a sacrament, and homosexuality is completely incompatible with that.
Still, I stand by my strong conviction that we have far too much government governing things government was never meant to govern. Put it back in the Constitutional cage, without bending the bars to let it writhe all over.
Here’s my take and it applies to the inverse as well, that being hetero males taking girl scouts camping. While most homosexuals and heterosexuals are not child molesters there exists a certain percentage that are. As it happens men are are much more likely to be molesters than women. And homosexual molestation is, as a percentage of population multiple times higher than heterosexual molestation as a percentage of population. So my answer would be not to allow my son to go camping with a homosexual male nor to allow my daughter to go camping with a heterosexual male. Call me a hater if you’d like, I call it common sense. Of course there are exceptions to every rule and I am sure there are many who have family members who are homosexual and they would entrust their children’s lives with those family members. But as a general rule I would say no to either.
The Libertarian Party, in existence for over forty years, has approximately 325,807 members with only 235,500 registered voters as of 2008.
In the most recent Presidential election, the Libertarian Candidate received just under one percent of the vote. The Libertarian Party has no Representatives in the House and no Senators, plus they hold no Governorships or any other statewide elected positions. In the individual State Legislatures, the LP does not control any upper house or lower house seats at all.
There are approximately 55 million registered Republicans and a myriad number of elected or appointed Republicans currently serving at every level of government in every state.
Libertarians, large or small "l" do not have, nor have they ever had, any part in the problems our nation faces currently. It they had any political credence all, there would be at least one libertarian elected in a national or statewide office today.
To prove a point further, when voting in meetings or conventions, libertarians insist on having "None Of The Above" (NOTA) as a choice on the ballot, allowing them to shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity.
Yes, language and vocabulary are the tools of the left and libertarians.
Libertarianism introduced a language and a fig leaf for natural born liberals to corrupt conservative/republican conversation, and to blur and confuse the lines dividing conservatives from rinos.
The catch phrase on the road to the gates of hell and to the end of civilization is, “I’m libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics”.
Get used to it folks, that is the new language of the Romney /Rockefeller wing of the GOP.
Could you suppose that many of the big R&r republicans or indy voters are possibly libertarians? Maybe even some Dems. That was the point, of my last post. Your party affiliation, was not. What am I missing?
I guess you might be missing what a libertarian is. Libertarians are staunch anticommunist, antistatist, antisocialist, antiliberal and as such will fight to the death any law that a abridges any Constitutionally defined Rights in any way. Read my #142 again. That is the personality profile of 90 percent of all libertarians. That is not the personality trait of a leftist that wishes to sell the nation down the river.
I do not believe I known of any politician that fits that profile. I think Sarah Palin comes close in that she does what is proper and correct according to the Constitution in order to serve her constituents the best way she can. That makes her right as far as I feel, even when she may be wrong.
That reminds me of a time when I attended a town hall meeting of my Republican State Representative who I really admired at the time. He was told that one of our group was considering running for office and proceeded to describe what a person needed to do if they wanted a career in politics. I personally believe that is the greatest problem with politics. Politicians consider politics a career.
If you looked at my profile page you saw that I kicked the Libertarian Party to the curb when I saw a schism develop, in response to 9/11, between pacifist libertarians and jingoist libertarians over retaliation against the Moslem murderers. I personally am a nuk'um 'til they sparkle sort of individual. So, in a little over two years I went from the spineless GOP to the spineless LP and then back to the spineless GOP. I helped elect Richard Nixon the first time I ever voted and the only Democrats I have ever voted for were Sam Nunn and Zell Miller.
Okay. You have a fine personality profile, along with some unseen others, according to political profile. Good deal.
Puhlease.
Actually, I thought it was the Republicans who came up with the neo-so-paleo-crunchy-cons(ervative) bit. It let them wiggle around the liberal crap they embraced in their districts to get votes and still call themselves "conservative".
Otherwise, they called themselves "moderate" Republicans, essentially relegating Conservatives to the "extremist" category, the last stop on the way to being thrown under the bus.
The last real conservative on the top of the GOP ticket was Goldwater. Reagan came closest since.
The problem is that we lack statesmen, people who will run for office, and do the right thing, who will follow the Constitution even if that means going against the flow, and pursue that which is right, not necessarily expedient.
Of course, with our present 'gimmie' culture (on both sides of the aisle), that isn't much as a career move, but if the country survives its fools, perhaps history would treat them kindly (after the Communists are removed from the educational system).
As for me, I still think that the government that governs best governs least.
Joe, your posts are so full of nonsense and dishonesty that they are gibberish, and the worse they get, they longer they grow.
I disagree with you and your homosexual agenda and your rabid defense of the groups fighting for it.
When someone is this whacky and dishonest posting nonsense like this, they are too far gone.
“”That fight wasn’t even about Libertarians, it was about getting the government out of straight people’s bedrooms.””
You fight all thread long for pro-homosexual political groups and battles, and then want to rave about how you are personally against the homosexual agenda, it is just nonsense.
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Yours in the nonsense. Not once have I supported the homosexuals, ever.
Clean the sight glass in your bellybutton before you fall over something.
You're right, in the sixties and early seventies, the faggots weren't even on the radar--they were still in the closet.
But if a cop caught your girlfriend with her face in your lap at the drive-in, you could both go to jail in a lot of states.
So normal people fought laws which made fellatio (performed by a woman) and cunnilingus (performed by a man) a felony.
Because no one was even thinking about faggots, none of the normal people who fought laws that dated back to Cotton Mather even cared about the queers.
Can we please stop allowing the Saul Alinsky wordsmiths on the left to define the terms of debate?
There is nothing GAY about the SSAD (Same Sex Attraction Disorder) community. Not only are they very bitter people but very discriminatory towards normal people.
Having been exposed to way too many of them I can tell you it seems their every waking moment is focused on their crotch antics and just waiting to be offended so they can prance off in protest.
I wish Conservatives would stop using that made up word for the SSAD community.
No joe, it wasn’t normal people fighting to end centuries of sodomy laws and legalize homosexuality, that is your bizarre fantasy.
You have some weird and twisted views in regards to how you libertarians and leftists removed the homosexual laws during the last 45 years.
You have repeatedly tried to associate me with homosexuals.
Cease and desist, you slanderer.
You profess to know me, but you don't know sh*t about me. You keep trying to tell ME what I think. You are quite consistently wrong.
If you were a septic system, I'd just replace you because you are hopelessly clogged.
Joe your argument with me is all about my anti-homosexual agenda and my criticism of the homosexual agenda groups like the libertarians and the Liberty Caucus.
You even are trying to claim that it was the normal people who fought to legalize homosexuality and end the centuries of sodomy laws against it, and who are fighting sodomy laws and anti-gay marriage laws in Texas.
You are just too weird to try to talk to.
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