Posted on 03/25/2013 7:02:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
How do you it’s slander?
Why is stop and frisk a good thing?
I don’t care about how effective it is, its unconstitutional.
Stop and frisk appears to be a natural requirement, once you’ve disarmed the citizenry. The police can’t protect anyone if they only react; thus, scared defenseless citizens are OK with abusing the rights of people who might be criminals with preemptive searches.
How do you know it’s slander?
Ann Coulter thinks it’s grand, told Geraldo that the other day...
Ann is a liberal in her personal time.
Did you expect a fair, objective, balanced, informative, non biased article in the New York Times?
RE: Why is stop and frisk a good thing?
Well, apparently it has been responsible for the dramatic drop in crime in NYC. Crime rates are at its lowest since the 1960’s and NYC is arguably one of the safest big cities in the world.
And since NYC’s gun laws are one of the strictest in the the nation, the only way the cops will compensate for this is to stop and frisk ( by the hundreds of thousands mind you ).
The thing that most people complain about is this — Cops tend to stop and frisk BLACKS and Hispanics at a disproportional rate compared to Whites and Asians.
Don’t get caught with even a pen knife in NYC.
So that makes gross violations of the 4th and 5th Amendments OK?
There is no doubt a sensitive, progressive liberal judge who happens to live in a very safe area will find this policing technique unconstitutional. Murders, muggings, drug trafficking, child and spousal abuse will of coarse soar in minority neighborhoods and their terrible economies will become worse. Of course the judge will enjoy the adulation he receives at the next cocktail party he attends.
Its unconstitutional.
A terrible economy doesn’t cause crime. A lack of morals and socialist policies create crime.
The argument of those who are pro stop-and-frisk ( and I must say that there are many on the RIGHT who are for it ) is this :
Every American citizen has the constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. It’s the reason tough talking TV characters always snap “where’s your warrant?” when police start snooping around.
Unfortunately, the police don’t always need a warrant. In fact, all American cities have a stop and frisk exception.
Under this, the police can stop you on the street and pat you down for anything illegal...as long as they have suspicion.
So how exactly does stop and frisk work? And just when can the police use it?
Stop and frisk has been an effective tool for police since the 1968 case Terry v. Ohio, when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of it.
The court agreed with the police that officers face uncertain and dangerous situations on the streets—circumstances that can potentially threaten both law enforcement officers and the public. For this reason, police officers need a set of flexible responses that allow them to react based on the information they possess. Thus, distinctions should be made between a stop and an arrest (or seizure of a person), and between a frisk and a search.
Under the Terry ruling, a police officer may stop and detain a person based on reasonable suspicion. And, if the police reasonably suspect the person is armed and dangerous, they may also frisk him or her for weapons.
What exactly is Reasonable Suspicion?
Reasonable suspicion is defined by a set of factual circumstances that would lead a reasonable police officer to believe criminal activity is occurring. This is different from the probable cause (what a reasonable person would believe) required for an arrest, search, and seizure. If the stop and frisk gives rise to probable cause to believe the detainee has committed a crime, then the police officer should have the power to make a formal arrest and conduct a search of the person.
So, to re-iterate, EVERY CITY already has a stop-and-frisk policy. It is only in NYC where this has been done on a massive scale.
Stop and frisk is based on a Supreme Court decision.
Compare the homicide rate in NYC with the rate in Chicago.
So is Obamacare.
Texas doesn’t have a stop and frisk policy. Heck Miami doesn’t either.
RE: I would not tolerate stop and frisk. Its unconstitutional.
Then you would not tolerate cops who give you a ticket for running a red light or going through a stop sign without proof ( only his word against yours ).
Try fighting it in court. Most of the time — YOU LOSE. The judge listens to the cops.
There goes “innocent until proven guilty”.
At least in stop and frisk, you aren’t fined for anything.
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