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President defends Cyprus bank levy as ‘least painful option’ (buried lead)
France 24 ^ | 17 March 2013

Posted on 03/17/2013 3:17:20 PM PDT by Lorianne

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To: WriteOn
I still don’t get this meme. This is a tax. All taxes are theft. Why do you think differently?

You are correct. But let me take a stab at why this is causing so much heartburn.

"Most" taxes collected in the US are hidden in some other form of payment.

Road use taxes are hidden in the price of gasoline and collected by the retailer. Income taxes are withheld from your paycheck, collected by your employer, and then remitted to the government. Property taxes are folded into your monthly mortgage payment, and remitted by the lender.

Very few taxes that we pay are plainly labeled as such. The government has succeeded in making others their collector and enforcer.

Except this time with the Cyprus deal, it is naked, and out front. That's why folks are upset. It would be the same thing here if withholding were abolished and people had to write a check monthly or quarterly payable to government.

21 posted on 03/17/2013 3:49:19 PM PDT by abb
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To: WriteOn

QE 1,2,3,4,5,6 ...... is also a tax but a stealth one.

At least the income tax and payroll tax is more straightforward pre-arranged theft. This thing in Cyprus is more like an ambush ... like getting jumped at the ATM machine.


22 posted on 03/17/2013 3:49:42 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne
Sharon Bowles, chair of the European parliament's economic and monetary affairs committee, said she was appalled by the Cyprus bailout. "This grabbing of ordinary depositors' money is billed as a tax, so as to try and circumvent the EU's deposit guarantee laws," she said. "It robs smaller investors of the protection they were promised. If this were a bank, they would be in court for mis-selling." (quoted from a story on Drudge)

Hmmm...didn't John Roberts redefine ZeroCare as a tax? Evidently, whenever government needs to violate a law that would send anyone of us who did it to jail, all they have to do is say it is a tax. Be afraid, be very afraid.

23 posted on 03/17/2013 3:50:42 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: dfwgator

Maybe. But I think the backlash will make it “once.”


24 posted on 03/17/2013 3:51:44 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Lorianne

That seems to be the common response. “I’m only outraged because it’s obvious.”


25 posted on 03/17/2013 3:53:59 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: WriteOn
The only difference between this tax and a payroll tax is that the tax in Cyprus only happens once.

Don't kid yourself, this is a very dangerous precedent which will be cited in order to legitimize the next government excursion into your wallet.

26 posted on 03/17/2013 3:56:20 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: ronnie raygun
Zero’s ok with this because it’s an option he can use. They are preparing themselves for this event here.

Old news. If you have kept a savings account the last few years, you have already taken a larger haircut on your savings.

27 posted on 03/17/2013 3:56:45 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: WriteOn
Maybe. But I think the backlash will make it “once.”

"Once!"

28 posted on 03/17/2013 3:57:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RummyChick

http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2013/03/hitler-bails-out-cyprus-youtube.html


29 posted on 03/17/2013 3:57:42 PM PDT by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: abb

That’s tragicomic. Tragic that we’re ok with rape after dinner, comic in the two-faced nature of it.


30 posted on 03/17/2013 3:58:43 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: abb

The suddenness of it might also be a factor. We know most taxes are going to be there. The exact amount might be a shock, but we know they’re coming. This one sounds like it was foisted on the unexpectedly.


31 posted on 03/17/2013 3:58:52 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: immadashell
legitimize the next government excursion into your wallet.

The last couple of years the Fed has literally printed electronic money to give to the politicians. In exchange the Fed has collected worthless paper (Treasuries) which it will never sell, so the printed money is inflationary. Therefore the politicians have already taken that excursion. If you have a savings account you have already lost more than the Cypriots just did.

32 posted on 03/17/2013 3:59:33 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: dfwgator

Haha. How do you remember that?


33 posted on 03/17/2013 3:59:41 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Ellendra

The = them. My keyboard sometimes sticks.


34 posted on 03/17/2013 4:00:03 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: Lorianne

As I understand it, the tax is Germany’s condition for bailing out the Cypriot banks. What happens to depositors’ money if the banks aren’t bailed out?


35 posted on 03/17/2013 4:01:03 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: WriteOn
That’s tragicomic. Tragic that we’re ok with rape after dinner, comic in the two-faced nature of it.

But it also shows how effective the artifice of "withholding" (known as pay-as-you-go when first adopted in 1943) has been in extracting money from the citizenry without a lot of squawking.

36 posted on 03/17/2013 4:02:42 PM PDT by abb
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To: RummyChick

Great comments by Karl Denninger at http://market-ticker.org/ .


37 posted on 03/17/2013 4:07:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: abb

Yep. You are correct.


38 posted on 03/17/2013 4:20:24 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: immadashell

I don’t think so. I think this is an EU strategy for moving capital out of Cyprus to stronger EU safe havens. And it is working. OTOH the US has no interest in chasing investments out of the US.


39 posted on 03/17/2013 4:22:54 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: ronnie raygun

Wrong President. But I don’t doubt Obama would say this in our case too.


40 posted on 03/17/2013 4:27:30 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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