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To: mgist; winoneforthegipper

All of the Biblical references say that Yeshua is the Rock.

Just go to one of the on line concordances and scan for the word “rock” and you will get your eyes opened.


273 posted on 03/13/2013 7:04:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

“All of the Biblical references say that Yeshua is the Rock.”


In the Bible, sometimes the word “rock” means a rock, and sometimes it is a symbol for Jesus Christ, and sometimes it is symbolic of something else. In this particular instance, it is referring to Simon Peter. When Jesus spoke to Simon after he had manifested his understanding of Jesus’ mission, He told him that he would henceforth be known as Cephas (meaning “rock” in Aramaic), and that “on this cephas I will build my Church.”

Some people will argue that He couldn’t have meant that Simon Peter was the Rock, given that, in the “original Greek version” of the Gospel, Simon is renamed as Petros (meaning “pebble” in Greek) and that Jesus says that “on this Petra (meaning “rock” in Greek) I will build my Church.” But such persons forget that the dialogue in the “original Greek version” was itself a translation, since Jesus and His Disciples spoke in Aramaic, not in Greek, with one another. *Of course* Cephas had to be translated as “Petros” when used for the name and as the more correct “Petra” when used to mean Rock; “petra” is a feminine word in Greek, and thus would not be a proper name for a man (in fact, to this day “Petra” is a woman’s name in several languages, including Spanish, where it is the female form of Pedro). Had the Gospels been written in, say, French, there would not have been an issue, since “Pierre” is the correct French word for both Simon’s new name and the Rock.

So there is indeed Biblical evidence of Jesus naming Simon Peter to build his Church on Earth. Each person may believe what he or she wishes, of course, but to Roman Catholics this point is quite settled.


280 posted on 03/13/2013 8:06:44 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: editor-surveyor
All of the Biblical references say that Yeshua is the Rock.

whose references??....protestant, Catholic????Jesus referred DIRECTLY to Peter that he (Peter) was indeed the "rock"

283 posted on 03/13/2013 8:13:59 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: editor-surveyor

“All of the Biblical references say that Yeshua is the Rock.”

Nope. Wrong. Again.

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen


291 posted on 03/13/2013 8:56:10 PM PDT by narses
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