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Curiosity Rover discovers conditions suited for ancient life on Mars
CNet ^ | 12 March 2013 | Charles Cooper

Posted on 03/12/2013 1:44:23 PM PDT by Steely Tom

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To: deoetdoctrinae
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21 posted on 03/12/2013 2:27:50 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Cementjungle
Rocks that have been untouched for millions of years, and evidence of "civilization" virtually non existent.

Let's just go there to play and build stuff .. not try to prove God does not exist.

HE gave us this playground to match the curiosity of the mind HE gave us.

22 posted on 03/12/2013 2:32:46 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Steely Tom

Helen Thomas lived on Mars?


23 posted on 03/12/2013 2:34:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cementjungle
If there was past life on Mars, then I would expect to see direct evidence of it in pretty much any rock or soil sample they dig up.

Your position is solid. If there were ever life on mars, we would certainly have found evidence of it by now. We have had rovers there scouring the surface for years. Couple that with the fact that we have found not even a single hint of life, not even microbial, anywhere in the entire universe, life on mars, now or ever,is very unlikely.
24 posted on 03/12/2013 2:42:44 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: lurk; Sacajaweau

Tundra tolerance isn’t necessarily the best route. Photosynthesis is required to produce breathable oxygen, and any oxygen produced by plants in Martian atmosphere would dissipate quickly due to a virtually non-existent atmosphere on Mars.

Methanogenes, microorganisms living in volcanic vents at the bottom of the ocean and in Antarctica, show the most promise for the beginnings of terraforming on Mars. They would have the greatest prospect at not only living but thriving in the harsh Martian atmosphere. They would also have a better chance at large-scale propagation since trees would require pollination that would be impossible due to a lack of pollen carriers like bees. Outside of that, it would take several generations to see any appreciable growth of an atmosphere, if ever.

And to your point, Sacajaweau, these conditions would likely exist elsewhere in our solar system and in the universe, but the fact that we have indisputable evidence from a man-made object on a planet in relatively close proximity to our own is both exciting and inspiring. While Jupiter’s volcanic moon of Io and ice moon of Enceladus are highly likely to not only contain these elements but possibly microbial life, the fact remains that we’ve not set probes down on either one of them nor conducted any physical inspections of the compositions thereof.

Mars is a cosmological “one tank trip” taking around 6 months one-way. The fact that no one’s even shooting for it in a real, substantial way does not bode well for civilization, I fear. Hell, we’ve not even gone back to the moon in my lifetime, and that’s a walk to the corner store by comparison.


25 posted on 03/12/2013 2:50:40 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ZX12R

We’ve explored less than 1% of the total surface of Mars. I’m not sure how you could statistically validate that there’s no life there. We’ve not explored the poles. We’ve not explored the deepest or the highest points on the planet. We’ve shot for relatively smooth landing zones.

Imagine if millenia from now an alien species came to Earth and landed probes in areas of Antarctica, Greenland, Siberia or the Sahara. Assuming they’re using advanced tools, they’d likely find little evidence of human existence, but they might fight microbial life. And we’re just talking millenia here.

The solar system’s been around for a few billion years. The likelihood of any of the inner planets harboring life at some point during that time is pretty good. We just haven’t stumbled upon it in any appreciable way.

Considering how little time, in the cosmological sense, we’ve invested in exploring Mars, I’d say we’re doing pretty well as far as exploration goes. The bigger tragedy is that we’re not spending more time on our nearest neighbor, the moon.


26 posted on 03/12/2013 2:55:30 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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Assuming they’re using advanced tools, they’d likely find little evidence of human existence,

And if they landed in Washington DC, they certainly wouldn't find any traces of intelligent life.

27 posted on 03/12/2013 2:57:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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28 posted on 03/12/2013 2:58:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ZX12R
Your position is solid. If there were ever life on mars, we would certainly have found evidence of it by now. We have had rovers there scouring the surface for years. Couple that with the fact that we have found not even a single hint of life, not even microbial, anywhere in the entire universe, life on mars, now or ever,is very unlikely.

The other thing that always bugs me about articles about "life on other planets" is that the same people who say our life started as a result of random arrangements of various elements/chemicals, seem stuck on the idea for there to be life elsewhere then it would have to be based on the same or similar sets of chemicals/elements. If our life was a result of random mixing of stuff, then why couldn't/wouldn't other completely different life forms be forming everywhere based on whatever components are present?

In fact, if life can start from random stuff, then we should expect to see various forms of life (some less advanced than ours, some more) all over the place... there should be literally billions and billions of planets/rocks/places teaming with life.

29 posted on 03/12/2013 3:02:38 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: dfwgator

I’d have to imagine that if humanity wipes itself out, which is much more likely in the short term, the only traces of civilization will be irradiated heaps of charred carbon.


30 posted on 03/12/2013 3:06:19 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
The Moon was in within reach of future missions if it was one of interest! With the ISS and the Space Shuttle combined! With cohesion of the two and materials stockpiled it would have been a walk in the park! Once outerspace is achieved the logistics are cut by @ least 50%. The ISS has been in operation for at least 10 years how much mold can you observe? My impression of the ISS was to be an outpost for future exploration! Not the devolepment of computer chips and organic space lettuce.
31 posted on 03/12/2013 3:20:55 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Conserev1

There are plenty of reasons for future exploration of the moon, most notably as a suitable test bed for future materials, life support systems, extended isolation, manufacturing and production with local materials, propellants, mining, and the list goes on.

The moon is also rich in Helium-3, which has proven uses in industry.

I agree, Con, the ISS has been squandered, but there are still reasons to visit and colonize the moon. It only takes a few brave settlers to start a colony. “If you build it, they will come.”


32 posted on 03/12/2013 3:31:31 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Steely Tom

This is coming from the same government that is feeding us the global warming hoax...i don’t think so...
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33 posted on 03/12/2013 4:00:26 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Bacon, egg, sausage and cheese on a toasted..... wait a minute.... is that a glazed donut?


34 posted on 03/12/2013 4:59:41 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Let's not be so open-minded that our brains fall out.)
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To: muawiyah
Send every last single EPA employ to Mars ~ let none escape!

Ditto the ATF. They've found the ingredients of gunpowder there.

35 posted on 03/12/2013 5:09:33 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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36 posted on 03/12/2013 5:15:57 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
Doggone ~ ya' don't say!!!!

ATF must go to Mars immediately!

37 posted on 03/12/2013 5:16:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cementjungle
it's not exactly 'random' ~ more like some chemicals under certain conditions are possible, and then it's a matter of assembling the material to make those conditions in some manner.

Whatever way you want to imagine, it's either inherent in the make up of the universe, or it's not possible at all.

At the moment we don't really understand how paint mixes ~ and are there nuclear processes involved that we cannot readily observe.

I suspect the guys studying how paint mixes will come up with THE WAY

38 posted on 03/12/2013 5:22:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"Send every last single EPA employ to Mars ~ let none escape!" Yes! And when they get there, take away their dirty oxygen tanks. We don't want to pollute Mars with Earth air.


39 posted on 03/12/2013 6:19:06 PM PDT by CapnJack
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Thanks colorado tanker, it's a two-list ping topic.
 
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40 posted on 03/12/2013 7:48:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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