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6 teens killed, 2 hurt in northeast Ohio SUV crash
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Posted on 03/11/2013 7:29:01 AM PDT by bryan999

WARREN, Ohio (AP) — A speeding sport utility vehicle taken without permission and carrying eight teenagers crashed into a guardrail Sunday morning and flipped over into a swampy pond in northeast Ohio, killing five boys and the young woman driving, the state highway patrol said.

The Honda Passport veered off the left side of a road and overturned just south of the city of Warren, about 60 miles east of Cleveland, Lt. Anne Ralston said. Investigators say it came to rest upside down in the swamp and sank with five of the victims trapped inside. A sixth, who was thrown from the SUV during the crash, was found under it when the vehicle was taken out of the water.

The two boys who survived escaped from the submerged vehicle and ran a quarter-mile to a home to call 911, the highway patrol said.

State Highway Patrol Lt. Brian Holt said at an evening news conference that speed was a factor, although investigators were still trying to determine the speed at the time of the accident.

"We will not be speculating on alcohol and-or drug usage pending toxicology reports," Holt said.

No one in the vehicle had permission to take it, but there were no theft reports, Holt said. The vehicle was licensed to a resident of Youngstown, about 20 miles away, he said.

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What a mess. Bad parents = dumb, reckless kids.
1 posted on 03/11/2013 7:29:01 AM PDT by bryan999
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To: bryan999

Unnecessary waste of young life... quite sad


2 posted on 03/11/2013 7:31:44 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: bryan999

we must ban all high capacity vehicles or vehicles with removable high capacity magazines.


3 posted on 03/11/2013 7:33:02 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: bryan999

It’s not always bad parents. kids are kids.


4 posted on 03/11/2013 7:33:31 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
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To: bryan999

Tragic but it does sound like a complete lack of parental control.


5 posted on 03/11/2013 7:36:28 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: InvisibleChurch
It’s not always bad parents. kids are kids.

Your right but the lawyers can't make any money without someone to blame for nature taking it's course. Looking back at the things my friends and myself did in our teen years it's a wonder any of us survived. But control freaks will always conveniently forget their own past and rail against nature and the ways of life.

6 posted on 03/11/2013 7:44:39 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: bryan999
Not necessarily. Sometimes good parents just have bad kids. And sometimes "peer pressure" and the pack mentality make generally good kids do bad things.

And it looks like somebody took the vehicle without permission. So without further information, I'm not sure we can blame the parents.

7 posted on 03/11/2013 7:45:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: fella
Having done an enormous amount of stupid things as a teenager, I always think, "There but for the Grace of God go I". My parents did a pretty good job, I think for the most part, but teenage boys will always test their limits. No amount of helicopter parenting will (or should, frankly) stop that.

It's easy being 18, harder being 10 feet tall and bulletproof.

8 posted on 03/11/2013 7:49:50 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Menehune56
My wife, God Bless Her, and I raised “4” teen age daughters during the early ‘80’s”. From that experience, I can tell you that there is absolutely “nothing” that a girl between the age of 13 - 18 could do that would surprise me!..
9 posted on 03/11/2013 7:51:26 AM PDT by Gertie
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To: fella

I was young and stupid once too. Somehow my guardian angel was looking over my shoulder and I survived. Never stole a car but can’t say I wouldn’t have if given to opportunity way back 45 years ago.

My parents were VERY strict and kept a tight rein on me and my brother, but we always found a way to get around it.


10 posted on 03/11/2013 7:52:12 AM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: Vaquero

Seriously, the correlation between the number of (non-sibling) passengers and fatality accidents is very very high.

The more teens in the car, the more likely it is to be involved in a fatality accident.


11 posted on 03/11/2013 7:52:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Ban “the peers” and “the pack” from your kid’s car,
and he’ll be more likely to survive.


12 posted on 03/11/2013 7:53:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: bryan999

Bad parents????

The SUV was taken without permission. Please enlighten us on your thought process, if there was one.

Kids do stupid stuff, some are lucky, some are not.


13 posted on 03/11/2013 7:53:07 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Menehune56

Tragic but it does sound like a complete lack of parental control. . . . . .

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Parental control?

Maybe, but in the wee hours of the morning if children quietly sneak out of the house the parents won’t even know about it.

I’m not saying that is what happened but when I was 15 I did it and also took a joy ride in a corvette that did not belong to me. A friend and I decided to see how fast it would go and wrecked it. Yeah we got in big trouble.

It turns out the person that left the keys in the corvette convertable in front of his house was trying to catch someone who was stealing cars from him, he was a car dealer.

I had a job, my dad had to pay for the car and I had to pay my dad, it was a lot of money in those days. It is the only Corvette I have ever bought and I only got to drive it once.

I feel sorry for the parents of these kids. When you do stupid stuff you have to be prepared to pay the price, sometimes the price is very, very high.


14 posted on 03/11/2013 7:53:54 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: bryan999
What a mess. Bad parents = dumb, reckless kids.

Indeed, where are your parents, and why are they allowing you to make dumb, reckless, posts?

15 posted on 03/11/2013 8:03:47 AM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: bryan999
State Highway Patrol Lt. Brian Holt said at an evening news conference that speed was a factor, although investigators were still trying to determine the speed at the time of the accident.

Typical cop-speak. They don't know how fast the vehicle was going, but they "know" speed was a factor. But it's a provable fact that parked vehicles rarely get into accidents. Interesting, though, that the only girl in the vehicle was the driver.

16 posted on 03/11/2013 8:05:36 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
"The SUV was taken without permission."

My parents taught me not to take other people's things without permission.


17 posted on 03/11/2013 8:08:05 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Um yes, bad parents. These kids were supposedly out all night. I was never allowed to stay out all night when I was 14, 15, 16, 17... I had a thing called a curfew.

I also did this thing where I actually called my mother or father when I was going to be late. Not a bad thing to do you know? And if I ever slacked on that, my parents would be calling around looking for me...

If these parents were GOOD parents, in the age of cellphones and texting and whatnot, all of these kids would be accounted for... What this stupid article fails to tell is what these kids were out doing and my guess is that nobody knows (perhaps except for the two who survived). And what are good kids of good, responsible parents doing ripping off cars that don’t belong to them...?

Sorry, but I am checking off the bad parents box for this story.


18 posted on 03/11/2013 8:20:39 AM PDT by bryan999
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To: Fresh Wind

“... speed was a factor”.

I know someone in law enforcement and this is what he told me. “Speed is a factor” simply because the car/vehicle was moving on impact. Let’s say you are driving 25 mph (in a 45 mph zone) and hit a tree. Speed is a factor because if the car wasn’t moving.. you wouldn’t have hit the tree. So, yes... typical cop speak.


19 posted on 03/11/2013 8:23:48 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: ex91B10
My parents taught me not to take other people's things

Parents aren't "other people" in teenagers' minds.

20 posted on 03/11/2013 8:25:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
The SUV was taken without permission.

Or was it stolen?

21 posted on 03/11/2013 8:30:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: momtothree
I know someone in law enforcement and this is what he told me. “Speed is a factor” simply because the car/vehicle was moving on impact. Let’s say you are driving 25 mph (in a 45 mph zone) and hit a tree. Speed is a factor because if the car wasn’t moving.. you wouldn’t have hit the tree. So, yes... typical cop speak.

The car veered off the road and overturned, probably wasn't doing 25 in a 45 zone. Sometimes it's pretty easy to tell when speed was a factor.

22 posted on 03/11/2013 8:32:14 AM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: sharkhawk

I agree. However, even if you bump a tree at 25 mph.. you can be issued a citation of “failure to control speed to avoid a collision. Therefore, speed is always a factor.


23 posted on 03/11/2013 8:42:06 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: bryan999

Ummm....there is permission and curfews AND then there is ignoring said permissions and curfews. Kids do crazy things, they sneak out, they “borrow” vehicles not their own, they rebel.

It’s great that you were a perfect kid, but some are not.

BTW, I was NOT one to ignore authority, but knew some that did. Sometimes the home life NEEDS to be escaped from.


24 posted on 03/11/2013 8:59:54 AM PDT by madison10
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To: AnAmericanMother
And sometimes "peer pressure" and the pack mentality make generally good kids do bad things.

I count 'letting bad peers near your kid' under the heading of 'bad parenting'.
25 posted on 03/11/2013 9:00:44 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: bryan999
Sorry, but I am checking off the bad parents box for this story.

I agree. I did some pretty stupid things as a kid. The job of a parent is to raise a kid so the SCALE of the stupid stuff is smaller. 8 kids in an SUV speeding at night? That is pretty far up the scale of 'stupid'. I drive mom's mini van in a circle one time near a far field. Got in big trouble. That is small scale 'stupid'. The parents job is to try to limit the damage.
26 posted on 03/11/2013 9:04:55 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: MrB

Teenage drivers lack experience in driving and saying “no”;the more teenagers in the vehicle the more likely some stupid dare will be made.

Three young Future Farmers of America are dead in Ripley county ,Indiana last week ,and their three friends hurt because the two teenage boys driving pickups raced each other on converging roads and apparently both ran stop signs at an intersection crashing together.


27 posted on 03/11/2013 9:45:40 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: dfwgator

Generally people don’t refer to it as stealing when the unauthorized driver is a family member or close friend whi is expected ,and does himself intend ,to return the vehicle after a quick trip to the store or nearby destination.

That is where the police dispatcher use the phrase “investigate for unauthorized control, a 2008 Chevry Tahoe ,blue in color, believed occupied by .....Stop and Hold,authority Local PD.”

Reporting your vehicle driven off by your teenager as stolen pushes the response up a whole other level;if you really want your teenager in jail then call it stolen.If you want to discipline him(her) at home, you report “driven without permission” and hope there are no crashes.

Good Lord,I believe some people would actually endorse the stoning to death of disrespectful sons .If your only tool is instilling overpowering fear of great punishment then your the problem,not the solution.


28 posted on 03/11/2013 9:59:53 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Kids are only kids based on where the parents draw the line. The kids may from time to time go over that line, but in this case, the line should have been drawn much sooner. If I’d have taken my parents car, I should have just as well killed myself, since the result would have been the same - death.


29 posted on 03/11/2013 11:16:13 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: MrB
Yeah, banning "the peers" and "the pack" -- without a GPS locator and a shock collar riveted onto the kid, or keeping him out of school and under personal supervision 24/7 -- is going to work about as well as that fool legislator saying that we just have to tell people not to do bad things.

I did instruct my kids that they were not to carry more than one passenger. I think there is (IIRC) a Georgia law to the same effect for 16-17 year olds.

But this could well be a case of a bunch of boys thinking it was cool to disobey parents, sneak out after curfew, and go joyriding with a wild girl. Sort of case I would clip out of the newspaper and hand to my kids with the observation that things don't always work out the way you intend . . . .

Fortunately, my kids never got anything worse than a traffic ticket and a stern talking-to by the judge. But I do not tell them about some of my escapades . . . which fortunately never resulted in any injuries or damage to persons or property. But that was just good luck (and I was not a particularly wild kid).

30 posted on 03/11/2013 12:38:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: hoosierham
Well...Well....Well

Owner says SUV in fatal Ohio crash was stolen

31 posted on 03/11/2013 4:10:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

STOLEN does make all the difference.

I do believe stealing has been treated much too lightly these past decades while the cops seek glamour in drug raids and DUI roadblocks.

There is still that dare and show-off mentality all teens must learn to be wary of.


32 posted on 03/12/2013 10:31:25 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

Update: state police say the two drivers and trucks left seperately with no knowledge ofthe other;so it begins to look like running the stop signs ,and maybe speed, caused the crash.But not actual race against each other.


33 posted on 03/14/2013 9:08:00 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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