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1 posted on 03/08/2013 4:30:50 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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I would have also included the Battle of Lepanto in that list.


2 posted on 03/08/2013 4:33:51 AM PST by circlecity
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To: RoosterRedux
But now there is no one to crusade for Christianity.

If the Knights Templar are truly the wealthy, secretive, thriving organization that the History Channel claims, then we might have a chance.

4 posted on 03/08/2013 4:43:49 AM PST by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: Charles Martel

Ping.


5 posted on 03/08/2013 4:47:35 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: RoosterRedux

El Cid, Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar, captured Valencia in 1094. Although he fought for the Mohammedans while in exile, he returned to fight the Mohammedans at Valencia. I saw his tomb in the Burgos Cathedral. El Cid is the national hero of Spain.


6 posted on 03/08/2013 5:00:05 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: RoosterRedux

The contributions of the Byzantines should not be overlooked. Even though Islamic expansion was possible through Byzantium’s exhaustion from incessant wars with the Persians, they retained enough strength to stop the Arabs in Asia Minor. Then, for 400+ years they remained a strong bulwark against the Moslem Arabs, Saracens, Persians and Turks, all while having to watch their backs in the Balkans.


8 posted on 03/08/2013 5:10:39 AM PST by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Syria and Iraq fall in 636. Palestine is next in 638. And Byzantine Egypt and North Africa, not even Arab lands, are conquered by 642 and 709, respectively.

This implies that Syria, Iraq and Palestine were Arab lands, which they were not at the time.

All three were inhabited by a very mixed population, many of whom were related to Arabs (as are the Jews), but they were certainly not Arab at their core.

9 posted on 03/08/2013 5:22:13 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: RoosterRedux
We Might be Muslim Today if...

Hey!

If you behead your wife, rape goats and don't use toilet paper....You just might be a moslem.

10 posted on 03/08/2013 5:27:22 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Westerners seem to overlook the significance of the sieges of Constantinople in 683 and 717, which were much more significant victories by Christians over Muslims than was the Battle of Tours. Also overlooked is the Battle of Kashgar in 736, in which the Chinese defeated Arab invaders and halted the eastward advance of Islam.


13 posted on 03/08/2013 6:12:12 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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It is relevant to point out that the limits of Muslim expansion reached at Tours, Vienna and Malta were to a considerable extent the consequence not so much of defeat in these battles as of shee distance.

Give the tech of the time, France was an enormous distance from the center of Muslim power in Syria/Iraq. With every mile the Muslims advanced their logistics became more difficult while that of their enemies, driven back onto their own centers of power, became easier.

Same thing was the most important single reason for the defeats of Charles XII, Napoleon and Hitler when they invaded Russia.

Amateurs talk battles, professionals study logistics.

A not inconsiderable additional factor at Tours was the coalition and freebooting nature of the Muslim invasion. When their accumulated booty, the reason they’d invaded in the first place, was threatened, soldiers began sneaking off to secure their loot, and the Muslim army fell apart.


15 posted on 03/08/2013 6:28:30 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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"And the Caliphate, as the Islamic realm is called, will not be denied. Syria and Iraq fall in 636. Palestine is next in 638."

I have heard about "Palestine".

Some say "Palestine" and some say there is no such place as "Palestine" and never has been.

Anyone know which is correct and definitive?

TIA!

16 posted on 03/08/2013 6:30:11 AM PST by hummingbird
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