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Railway says fuel savings inspired LNG test
Fuel Fix ^ | March 6, 2013 | Zain Shauk

Posted on 03/07/2013 9:12:05 AM PST by thackney

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1 posted on 03/07/2013 9:12:06 AM PST by thackney
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Once everything gets converted, the maintenance savings would be astronomical.


2 posted on 03/07/2013 9:30:23 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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Fuel Savings alone will me Billons of dollars per year.


3 posted on 03/07/2013 9:39:34 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

me = be


4 posted on 03/07/2013 9:40:19 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

With all the recently discovered/recoverable shale gas, it’s about time!!


5 posted on 03/07/2013 9:41:25 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: thackney

Assuming the cost differential between the two fuels doesn’t decrease dramatically, then even the conversion and maintenance costs would not erase the savings.

In fact, locomotives being powered by CNG makes more sense to me than millions of automobiles.


6 posted on 03/07/2013 9:46:57 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: thackney
The company burns 1.3 billion gallons of diesel per year.

Yeah, buddy! Imagine what the price of diesel could do with an extra 1.3 billion gallons released back to the marketplace.

7 posted on 03/07/2013 9:52:38 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: thackney
Go to "What's Next?" in this article, last sentence, Natural Gas is mentioned, I am not sure if that is converted to oil or burnt as is for Aero Applications.

http://www.flightjournal.com/blog/2013/02/28/aviation-insider-barnaby-wainfan-on-the-new-face-of-aerodynamics/

8 posted on 03/07/2013 10:14:22 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: VeniVidiVici

Just to keep us in reality, it would take many years to convert all of their locomotives to LNG, and that 1.3 billion gallons represents ~2% of the US diesel/fuel oil market.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MDIUPUS1&f=A

Still a good thing, but this alone isn’t going to send prices falling far and fast. But every bit helps.


9 posted on 03/07/2013 10:17:25 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TheBattman

LNG works better for something like a train over CNG. Also works good for long-haul trucking and fleet serviced vehicles like garbage trucks and UPS, etc.


10 posted on 03/07/2013 10:19:31 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Replacing 1.3 billions gallons of diesel fuel with natural gas reduces carbon dioxide emissions by about 5 million tons a year. And that’s just from this one company.

So if an environmentalist asks “What can I personally do to help stop global warming?” say “support fracking!”


11 posted on 03/07/2013 10:22:06 AM PST by Our man in washington
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“It comes down to the spread relationship between LNG and diesel,”

I don't know what that means. Translation?

12 posted on 03/07/2013 10:23:52 AM PST by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: thackney

How much of the savings would be neutralized by the explosion of one LNG tender car in the wrong place?


13 posted on 03/07/2013 10:30:53 AM PST by wideminded
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Diesel = 8500 cal/l, while LNG = around 4500 cal/l.

That means that you’ll need almost twice the LNG to generate the same energy as with Diesel.

So when you talk about price, right now LNG is so low that buying twice the energy is still cost advantageous.

What’s likely to happen is that locomotives will go truly hybrid - LNG AND Diesel. When the price point on LNG gets to the point where it makes more sense to use Diesel, they will.

BNSF is looking to differentiate the supply chain in order to create price competition between sources.

Fish and foul, not fish or foul.


14 posted on 03/07/2013 10:35:59 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: wideminded

Since LNG first has to be vaporized, then the methane diluted to 15% concentration before it can be ignited, there is no way to explode and LNG tanker.


15 posted on 03/07/2013 10:36:33 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Rio
I don't know what that means. Translation?

The price spread.

Diesel is now approaching $4/gal. The cost of an equivalent amount of energy from natural gas is less than $2.

16 posted on 03/07/2013 10:37:28 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I think weight is a bigger consideration to a train over volume. That is what takes the energy to accelerate and lift over hills.

1 million BTU = 12.1 gallons LNG = 42.4 lbs LNG
1 million BTU = 7.2 gallons diesel = 51.5 lbs diesel
Diesel - less volume to carry but more weight vs LNG.


17 posted on 03/07/2013 10:40:17 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: okie01; Rio

A gallon of diesel fuel cost an average of $3.97 last year, according to federal statistics. The equivalent amount of energy in natural gas cost 48 cents at industrial prices.

Berkshire’s BNSF Railway to Test Switch to Natural Gas
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324539404578342540494619344.html

To get around the subscription requirement for some Wall Street Journal articles, you can search for the title and click the link from the search engine.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Berkshire’s+BNSF+Railway+to+Test+Switch+to+Natural+Gas&aq=f&oq=Berkshire’s+BNSF+Railway+to+Test+Switch+to+Natural+Gas&aqs=chrome.0.57j61l3j62l2.512&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

First link at the above search.


18 posted on 03/07/2013 10:43:35 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Thanks for the correction.

Does the diesel price ($3.97) include road taxes, which wouldn't apply to railroads? Thought about that after I'd posted.

19 posted on 03/07/2013 11:36:52 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

The $3.97 is the average for highway grade price, so it would include the tax.

If I read Chapter 1 Fuel Taxes Page 7 of the following correctly, that tax applies to trains as well.

Publication 510, Excise Taxes
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p510.pdf


20 posted on 03/07/2013 11:46:25 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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