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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Let's make this easier for you to read and harder to dodge:
The amendment prohibited the state, of which she is a citizen, from abridging any of her privileges and immunities as a citizen of the United States, but it did not confer citizenship on her.

Do you understand what the words "did not confer citizenship on her" means??? If Minor wasn't claiming to be a 14th amendment citizen, why did it specifically say the 14th amendment did not confer citizenship on her??

330 posted on 02/24/2013 10:50:04 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919
Let's make this easier for you to read and harder to dodge:

I'm not dodging. I answered your question twice, but I guess I didn't spell it out simply enough. I'll try to go step by step.

Do you understand what the words "did not confer citizenship on her" means???

Yes. Yes, I do.

If Minor wasn't claiming to be a 14th amendment citizen, why did it specifically say the 14th amendment did not confer citizenship on her??

It was part of saying that she was already a citizen before the 14th and could not vote, so therefore voting was not a privilege of citizenship.

You like to take one little snippet out of context and hold it up as proof of your claims--a subordinate clause out of a whole sentence above, a single sentence out of a whole paragraph here. In general, context helps when trying to understand the meaning of a snippet. Your sentence is in here:

The Fourteenth Amendment did not affect the citizenship of women any more than it did of men. In this particular, therefore, the rights of Mrs. Minor do not depend upon the amendment. She has always been a citizen from her birth and entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizenship. The amendment prohibited the state, of which she is a citizen, from abridging any of her privileges and immunities as a citizen of the United States, but it did not confer citizenship on her. That she had before its adoption.
The question the court is dealing with here is whether voting falls under "all the privileges and immunities," as Minor argued. Pointing out that the 14th didn't make her a citizen is just a restatement of the previous sentence, the one I bolded. It's merely part of their overall argument that there had always been citizens that couldn't vote, so voting wasn't part of the p&i. As we see in the very next sentences:
If the right of suffrage is one of the necessary privileges of a citizen of the United States, then the Constitution and laws of Missouri confining it to men are in violation of the Constitution of the United States, as amended, and consequently void. The direct question is therefore presented whether all citizens are necessarily voters.
If, as you claim, the direct question is whether the 14th Amendment conferred citizenship on Minor, why did the court say "the direct question is whether all citizens are necessarily voters"?

In other words, your turn.

331 posted on 02/25/2013 10:26:10 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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