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To: SvenMagnussen

Having a possibility under law that someone could reject their citizenship before 18 years of age isn’t proof that it has ever been done.

For example:

“There are also special provisions for persons who are deemed to have renounced citizenship for purposes of avoiding U.S. taxation (which is, in some cases, applicable on certain income for up to ten years after the official loss of citizenship, Internal Revenue Code, section 877), which in theory can result in loss of right to entry into the United States. However, the loss of right of entry (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(10)(E)[38]) has never been enforced by the Attorney General since its enactment in 1996. Further, since the creation of the Department of Homeland Security in 2002, the Attorney General (Department of Justice) would no longer be empowered to bar a former U.S. citizen from entering the United States.

No new legislation has modified 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(10)(E) to enable the DHS Secretary to bar a former U.S. citizen from entering the United States. Lastly, IRC section 877 and Revenue Rulings was modified in 2004 to discontinue the practice of the Internal Revenue Service issuing rulings to determine if a former U.S. citizen had a tax-related motive in renouncing U.S. citizenship. Instead, IRC section 877 establishes an objective test to determine if the section 877 regime will apply.

If the former U.S. citizen fails one of these objective tests, for ten years after the individual’s expatriation they are subject to the 877 regime. In practice, given the various modifications since the enactment of 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(10)(E), that the U.S. government has never enforced 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(10)(E) since its inception in 1996, a former U.S. citizen may freely travel to the U.S. subject to normal visa restrictions.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law


None of this applies to someone who returned to the USA at age 10 and has lived here ever since as an accepted US citizen. There is no indication his US citizenship has been ever challenged. Even birthers generally agree he is a US citizen by birth, if born in the USA. I disagree with birthers about the meaning of NBC, but there is no evidence Obama moved back to the USA at age 10 using a visa on his Indonesian passport.

You claim he was naturalized in 1983. Offer PROOF, or stop lying.


298 posted on 02/17/2013 7:36:00 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers

The proof is there. You choose to swallow the lies of the amdinistration rather than accept the fact Obama is not eligible to be President.

Another poster was correct. The State Department’s official position is that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesian. That will be the State Department’s official position until it isn’t their official position, if ever.

Some of believe we should be subjugated to the administration and some of us believe the administration works for the American people. Lies are never helpful.


306 posted on 02/18/2013 8:19:19 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: Mr Rogers

The proof is there. You choose to swallow the lies of the amdinistration rather than accept the fact Obama is not eligible to be President.

Another poster was correct. The State Department’s official position is that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesian. That will be the State Department’s official position until it isn’t their official position, if ever.

Some of believe we should be subjugated to the administration and some of us believe the administration works for the American people. Lies are never helpful.


307 posted on 02/18/2013 8:20:39 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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