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Pope Benedict XVI 'is to resign'
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Posted on 02/11/2013 3:11:37 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Pope Benedict XVI 'is to resign' Breaking news

The Pope is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected development, reports from the Vatican say.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


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To: ToxicMich; BigCinBigD

Apparently, like many Americans these days, you are not very familiar with GOOD. May our Father in heaven forgive you.


151 posted on 02/11/2013 5:39:50 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Happy Rain

Cardinal Burke would be better if the nex pope happens to be American


152 posted on 02/11/2013 5:39:58 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: golux
remember that Cardinal Ratzinger never wanted this honor. He will do, as he said, retire to a live of contemplation and prayer

Pope Benedict is extremely good as a scholar and theologian. he did not believe he was good enough to fill the shoes of a charismatic person like Pope John Paul II.

And, as a person, he definitely was not. He looked old and frail before JP II died, but since then he actually looks younger -- and the only explanation is the Holy Spirit looking after and over him

153 posted on 02/11/2013 5:41:07 AM PST by Cronos
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To: I-ambush

Would love that.We met him years ago when Pope John Paul was in the US.


154 posted on 02/11/2013 5:41:36 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: bgill
I can't believe all the disrespect and jokes from FR.

No surprise to me. At one time a post had to have substance. The board at large demanded it. That is long gone. I've just resigned myself to expect it.

155 posted on 02/11/2013 5:41:46 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: xzins
I personally have no idea who will be chosen. The Holy Spirit is ultimately responsible for the choice, so my advice would be to pray and have confidence.

I sort of find it funny that the MSM is prognosticating Cardinal Turkson...a Ghanan and the President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

Naturally, the libs believe that this would be a good, "progressive" choice.

However, Cardinal Turkson also basically said that Americans (left-wingers, specifically) have no clue whatsoever about what Social Justice actually means. In a 2011 interview with CNA, he said:

The council has been surprised to find that common terms were misunderstood or misinterpreted. He emphasized that the misunderstanding was not a general or widespread problem among American Catholics. But, he said, "in certain circles ... there is a difficulty."

For instance, the Pope's teaching on themes of "social justice" have been mistakenly connected to "socialism" and "communism." As a result, he indicated, the Pope is mistakenly seen as promoting socialist or big-government solutions to social problems.

So, if, in the end, he is elected, methinks that the left will be massively surprised.

Myself, I like Raymond Cardinal Burke. Conventional wisdom says he is WAAAAAAAY too conservative to be viable. However, conventional wisdom also said that Cardinal Ratzinger was WAAAAAAAY too conservative to be viable not that many years ago.

Bottom line, it's up to the Holy Spirit.

156 posted on 02/11/2013 5:41:55 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: ToxicMich

No.


157 posted on 02/11/2013 5:42:41 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: wolf78
(to show that illness and death is a natural part of live - vs. - to show that the office and the church are bigger than any one men).

exactly and both have done bounds to show that the office and the protection of God is more important than any individual

158 posted on 02/11/2013 5:42:57 AM PST by Cronos
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To: I-ambush

Cardinal Burke would be a prayer come true!


159 posted on 02/11/2013 5:43:21 AM PST by informavoracious (God help us.)
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To: paterfamilias

Benedict isn’t slavic....


160 posted on 02/11/2013 5:43:33 AM PST by Cronos
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To: I-ambush

Cardinal Burke would be a prayer come true!


161 posted on 02/11/2013 5:43:33 AM PST by informavoracious (God help us.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

turkson is extremely conservative! Hooray!


162 posted on 02/11/2013 5:44:13 AM PST by Cronos
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To: TSgt
The Joe Paterno of the Vatican...

Sheesh.

5.56mm

163 posted on 02/11/2013 5:44:33 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: KevinDavis

GMTA


164 posted on 02/11/2013 5:45:01 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Sub-Driver

I suspect he is severely ill with a disease that he would not like to bear publicly, nor be able to act with, when action is needed.

Hopefully his first thought was to shepherding the best choice of his successor to avoid contention.


165 posted on 02/11/2013 5:47:16 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; Preston Manning

Actually there were African and Syrian Popes in the first centuries. I think one of the early Popes was also a black African (Nubian) as opposed to the Greek or Berber North African popes


166 posted on 02/11/2013 5:47:30 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Preston Manning

My money is on an African. And no it is not ghoulish to speculate. Conclave, of which I have witnessed two, (I lived in Roma from 1976-1979, an era of three Popes) and its secrets breeds speculation..


167 posted on 02/11/2013 5:47:53 AM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: advance_copy
Raymond Arroyo on CNN just said no one was expecting this resignation. NBC reported that the last pope to resign was in the year 1415.

There have been 'rumblings' in the media for a couple of weeks about 'can a Pope resign', etc.

I have a feeling that this has been in the works a while (days, weeks, maybe) and some 'rumors' leaked.


168 posted on 02/11/2013 5:48:03 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; Preston Manning
Turkson is also staunchly against social justice
169 posted on 02/11/2013 5:48:10 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Sub-Driver
On February 11, 1858, Bernadette Soubirous received her first vision of Our Lady of Lourdes. I imagine it is no coincidence that Pope Benedict's announcement comes to us this day... http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2013-02-11

St. Bernadette, please pray for our German shepherd and the Roman Catholic Church.
170 posted on 02/11/2013 5:49:08 AM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: AU72

lots, didn’t you read the ones above about resignations?


171 posted on 02/11/2013 5:49:37 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Mrs.Z

“Benedict was a conservative, and good for pro-life Catholics”

The Catholic Church will always be conservative, always pro-life, always for REAL marriage, and will never have woman priests. The reason? The Bible is unchanging. Popes live and die, only the unchanging Holy Word of God remains the same.


172 posted on 02/11/2013 5:51:00 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: xzins
The Holy Spirit will be invoked and will guide the Church in the election of the next Pope. That is what we believe. That is why there is a conclave.

The absolutely beautiful Litany of the Saints will be sung as the Cardinals enter the conclave once again.

173 posted on 02/11/2013 5:51:01 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: vladimir998

You’re still an idiot...

...please don’t tell him that...he’ll get a swelled head...


174 posted on 02/11/2013 5:51:43 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: fatima

I’m not Catholic, but I am curious. Just wondering, do you have a link to the prophecies made about Pope Benedict?


175 posted on 02/11/2013 5:53:22 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: SumProVita
Never heard of Giardini Vatican Sensimilla?

Most potent pot there is and a huge cash crop for the Pontifical Commission...(what, you thought tithes alone kept the randy rascals in booze and broads?)

...plus the "Holy Smoke" exorcises demons;)

176 posted on 02/11/2013 5:53:25 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza is like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Arthur McGowan
"If he were going to die soon, I don’t think he’d resign."

I would think just the opposite. He would resign to help effect a smooth transition rather than the turmoil as sudden, unexpected death would occasion. Plus, he would get to spend his last days with his God, friends and family apart from the distractions of office.

177 posted on 02/11/2013 5:54:07 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Tax-chick

He’s in his eighties and has had a couple of strokes in the past. No doubt declining health.


178 posted on 02/11/2013 5:56:30 AM PST by virgil
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To: momtothree
I do not recall one every resigning in my lifetime.

I hope not, last one was in 1415.

179 posted on 02/11/2013 5:58:17 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Cronos

Yes, but I wouldn’t call him extremely conservative either.

He has called for taxes on financial transactions in “Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority” was that was very specific, as well as condemning the “idolatry of the markets” and “neo-liberal [economic] thinking”.

http://www.news.va/en/news/full-text-note-on-financial-reform-from-the-pontif Published in October of 2011.


180 posted on 02/11/2013 5:58:17 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: fatima

Actually, the next pope will be Petrus Romanus, the False Prophet who will introduce the Beast to the world. End Times events are accelerating.


181 posted on 02/11/2013 6:00:10 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: sunmars

I've been watching The Borgias on Showtime, and it can get vicious -- almost like House of Cards on Netflix.

:)

Politics and power.


182 posted on 02/11/2013 6:01:31 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

It was just yesterday I was in a bookstore looking at a book about the life of Celestine V, the last pope to voluntarily resign.


183 posted on 02/11/2013 6:03:11 AM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: vladimir998; SumProVita

My heart doesn’t bleed for pedophiles or those who protect them.


184 posted on 02/11/2013 6:04:38 AM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: Sub-Driver

When I first saw this I prayed it was not true. It is deeply troubling. There are so few voices for orthodoxy left in leadership, be they Catholic or Protestant. B16 was a lion among simpering sheep. He will be sorely missed.


185 posted on 02/11/2013 6:06:47 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: palmer
If true, that was Gregory XII who was one of three popes. He resigned essentially so there could be one pope. (so sayeth google)

Not to question google, but, although there were three men claiming to be the pope, only one would be the true pope. The other two would be regarded by Catholics as "anti popes."

In every era, there are oddballs who claim to be pope. That wasn't the case in the 1400s, where the true papal succession was controversial.

186 posted on 02/11/2013 6:07:24 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Cronos

“Benedict isn’t slavic....”

Yes, I am aware of that.

“Windswept House” was a novel of intrigue that Martin described as “faction.”

“The Slavic Pope” was a thinly veiled reference to John Paul II, who was Polish, Poland being one of the Slavic nations.


187 posted on 02/11/2013 6:08:00 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: Cronos

You are right. We’ve had 3 African Popes. Pope Gelasius I (492, Berber North African), Pope Miltiades (314, African but no details as to what part), & Pope Victor I (189, Roman African Provinces which could stretch from Libya to Ethopia).


188 posted on 02/11/2013 6:09:48 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Cronos

Forgot to add that Pope Victor I was generally called the first Black African pope.


189 posted on 02/11/2013 6:11:04 AM PST by mnehring
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To: CatherineofAragon

Hi CatherineofAragon,Pope Benedict did not say that.I don’t have a link I just remember reading it.If someone reminds me I’ll ping you.


190 posted on 02/11/2013 6:11:40 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: SVTCobra03
I read that one too.Bad source.
191 posted on 02/11/2013 6:14:02 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: SVTCobra03
Actually, the next pope will be Petrus Romanus, the False Prophet who will introduce the Beast to the world. End Times events are accelerating.

I hope the next one will be George the Ethiopian or something like that so the History(sic) channel and websites can stop pushing these Nostradamus crackpot prophecies(sic)

192 posted on 02/11/2013 6:14:56 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Sub-Driver

NNNOOOOOOO!! :-(


193 posted on 02/11/2013 6:15:33 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: agere_contra

“...Former Popes usually join monasteries....”

Well, in our lifetime, most former Popes are dead. This is a first in our lifetime, a Pope is resigning. Thought I’d never, ever see that. I wish Pope Benedict well with the rest of his life.


194 posted on 02/11/2013 6:16:34 AM PST by NCC-1701 (The LEFT's intolerance of the RIGHT is intolerable.)
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To: fatima

Thanks, fatima...I appreciate it.


195 posted on 02/11/2013 6:17:10 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

I am not Catholic, but I am saddened to hear this. Pope Benedict is a man who wasn’t afraid to uncompromisingly stand for traditional Christian values, no matter how unpopular.


196 posted on 02/11/2013 6:18:50 AM PST by chickpundit
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To: mnehring

Don’t think that one is from Nostradamus.


197 posted on 02/11/2013 6:19:40 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: All

If there’s a chance that ‘Peter the Roman’ is an Italian, Cardinal Scola might be a good pick.


198 posted on 02/11/2013 6:21:36 AM PST by Preston Manning (When standing on the edge of a cliff, a "giant step forward" is NOT progress!)
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To: CondorFlight

“...Cardinal Dolan of New York is said to be one possible candidate....”

I read something about Papal succession that said the someone from a superpower country wouldn’t be considered. If true, that would rule Cardinal dolan out.


199 posted on 02/11/2013 6:23:51 AM PST by NCC-1701 (The LEFT's intolerance of the RIGHT is intolerable.)
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To: xzins
With time to reflect, do you think the conclave would be more inclined toward a younger Pope having a longer tenure or an older Pope having a shorter one? (Recognizing, of course, that God can call any of us home at any time.)

Frankly, I don't think we can predict anything. The conclave's have shocked before -- who would have thought that a SLAVIC Pope from a communist country would be made Pope? And who would have thought that a 78 year old, tired cardinal would be made Pope? One thing is sure -- God will laugh at all our predictions :P

And, the question already asked about the conclave, is there a group(s) within the church known for their spirituality who could give insight into the actual needs of the church?

Well, the majority of Cardinals are conservative selections by Pope JPII or Benedict. At the end, as I said above, it really is the Holy Spirit which directs the conclave - one can't give any other reason for the past 2 popes. I believe that the next Pope and the Pope after that should continue in the same vein as JP II and BXIV -- knocking out the liberals, bringing the Catholics closer to the Orthodox and the Oriental Churches by emphasising the first among equals nature of the Western Patriarchate and tossing away a lot of the medieval baggage. This will help in rapprochements with other Christian brethren. Also, Pope Benedict was tough -- not tough physically, but spiritually and mentally. I look forward to a Pope who is both -- and my hopes rest on Cardinal Turkson

200 posted on 02/11/2013 6:24:26 AM PST by Cronos
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