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Posted on 02/05/2013 8:45:22 PM PST by eastexsteve

I really couldn't care less if Obama shot skeet or not. The photo released by the White House shows that this is probably the first time this man has ever fired a shotgun, much less shot a round of skeet. However, it does show something blatantly obvious - he doesn't appear to be standing at a shooting station at the Camp David skeet range. Below is a photo from the UK Daily Mail of the Camp David skeet range. See any differences?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/02/article-2272417-174E1F37000005DC-87_634x446.jpg

(Excerpt) Read more at i.dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: banglist; control; gun; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment; serialliar; skeet
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1 posted on 02/05/2013 8:45:26 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: eastexsteve

Here’s the FACT abotu that photo op- He did that so that he now gets to say “I’m enactign htese gun laws to ‘MAKE IT FAIR FOR EVERYONE- AND BECAUSE I’m SUCH A SACRICER MYSELF, EVEN I’m GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY the NEW LAWS”

Typed in cps because we are goign to hear a LOT about ‘fair for everyone’ arguments by the left AS they take away our rights


2 posted on 02/05/2013 8:49:36 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: eastexsteve

And don’t most skeet go up? Is he shooting at the skeet launcher?


3 posted on 02/05/2013 8:52:52 PM PST by doc1019
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To: CottShop

Huh?


4 posted on 02/05/2013 8:54:39 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: SgtBob; CottShop

I’m hoping that you’re either dsylexci or posting from a phone...


5 posted on 02/05/2013 9:01:34 PM PST by FredZarguna (Use it as you will. I Could NOT care less.)
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To: eastexsteve

Why does the link go to a photo, rather than the article?


6 posted on 02/05/2013 9:01:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: eastexsteve

7 posted on 02/05/2013 9:03:27 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: eastexsteve

From the photo From the link, I see a skeet range circa 1965. Judging by the dress of the folks.

But, I am not discounting the fakiness about the obama pic.


8 posted on 02/05/2013 9:06:35 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Is that not JFK holding the shotgun?


9 posted on 02/05/2013 9:09:15 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: rdl6989

It looks like it.

I am sure the scenery and background have changed a bit since then.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 9:11:33 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: rdl6989

Joe Kennedy in the white shirt?


11 posted on 02/05/2013 9:12:12 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: Jet Jaguar
I see a skeet range circa 1965.

Pre-Nov. 22, 1963. That's Jack Kennedy shooting. That's probably Jackie Kennedy sitting on the bench, but for the life of me I can't explain why she has 4 legs!


12 posted on 02/05/2013 9:12:33 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Jet Jaguar

“circa 1965”
__________

Close, but, I’m pretty damned sure the guy firing the shotgun died in Nov 63!!!


13 posted on 02/05/2013 9:14:40 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Jet Jaguar

Any idea why the guy in the old photo is aiming horizontally not upward? Lots of electrons have been inconvenienced with comments about how barry could not possibly been on a skeet shoot due to the angle of the shotgun.
Hey skeet geniuses, talk to me.


14 posted on 02/05/2013 9:15:40 PM PST by zagger
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To: Jet Jaguar

The scenery may have changed, but there are a few things on a skeet range that never change. Notice the walkway around the shooting stations, and the stations themselves. There are none in Obama’s picture. And, I doubt the fence would be gone. It would be replaced, but not torn down. It serves as a noise barrier.


15 posted on 02/05/2013 9:16:45 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: Jet Jaguar

I believe that is Kenny O’Donnell dressed in black.


16 posted on 02/05/2013 9:18:31 PM PST by Despot of the Delta
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To: zagger

the shooter in the pick is not actively shooting. You start at each station ‘aiming’ and then react when the target comes out of the house.

You would probably have a higher angle when the trigger is pulled.


17 posted on 02/05/2013 9:19:25 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: zagger

In skeet, you shoot at targets coming from a “high house” and a “low house.” You could theoretically be shooting at a variety of angles. However, Obama’s photo shows no artifacts that you would see standing at a skeet station. It looks like he is standing in someone’s back yard.


18 posted on 02/05/2013 9:21:00 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: zagger

He is waiting for the release then, he will follow the target, aim slightly ahead and squeeze the trigger.


19 posted on 02/05/2013 9:22:09 PM PST by Datom (President Obama ....Get the hell out of my foxhole.)
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To: Despot of the Delta

The gentleman in white is actor David Niven.


20 posted on 02/05/2013 9:23:44 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the Camp David skeet field has been completely redone . . . (that photo of Kennedy is 50 years old. Things change).

http://www.nssfblog.com/skeet-gate-some-constructive-advice-for-the-president/

(more on that in a minute) . . .

What I think happened is that Obama stopped in at the shotgun field while some guests were shooting trap. I believe it was a trap shoot because the shotgun only has one choke tube installed and trap is a singles game (while skeet involves doubles). During his brief visit, somebody asked him if he’d like to shoot. To save face, he fired a shot or two and somebody took a photo. It’s clear to me that he wasn’t shooting a round of skeet because A.) he’s wearing neither a vest nor pouch to hold 25 shells and B.) there’s no place on the skeet field where he could have been shooting that low to the horizon that there would not be a trap house in the background. I think it’s just a photo of him shooting a shotgun, nothing more, nothing less.

Now, for the NSSF blog post . . .

>>We here at NSSF were somewhat bemused over the controversy that sprang from President Obama’s assertion that he shot skeet on a regular basis, and the second wave of commentary that attended the White House release of a photo to prove it. There’s a reason we’re citing the New York Times coverage in the link above — we’ll get to that later.

The assertion came as no surprise to us, because NSSF sponsored and oversaw the renovation of the skeet field at Camp David. We provided one of the industry’s top facilities consultants, and donated tens of thousands of dollars of machinery, consulting and oversight to build the regulation field. We provided countless hours of shotgun and safety instruction as well. We were honored to provide this service for the office of the Presidency, and our investment appears to be paying off by recruiting new shooters. Welcome, Mr. President.

In the same vein, we can offer the president some constructive advice on his shooting. Mr. President, try leaning a little further forward into the shot to better manage recoil. Keep your feet about shoulder width apart, and put more weight on your leading foot. You appear to be shooting a gun with “neutral cast,” to wit, a straight stock. Since you’re shooting left-handed, you may want to look into a different stock cast to better accommodate you. And if you’re going to get a custom gun, make sure they measure your length of pull first. Proper gun fit makes an enormous difference in accuracy, and thus in your enjoyment of the sport.

You may also want to try out the semiautomatic shotguns that another one of our member companies donated to Camp David. These too come in left-handed versions, which eject the spent casing to your left, instead of to the right as is customary. No matter which way the case ejects when you shoot the semiautomatic, you’ll notice that the gun still only shoots one round per pull of the trigger, just like the over/under you’re shooting in the picture.

In fact, the semiautomatic shotguns are functionally identical to all the semiautomatic firearms that Senator Dianne Feinstein has proposed to ban in her sweeping new legislation, S. 150. We feel like we have to keep repeating that fact, because many of the media voices that consider themselves learned scholars on gun policy don’t even know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun, for heaven’s sake. Note that The New York Times article has a correction at the bottom of the page, because it originally said that you were shooting a rifle in the picture — a mistake quickly repeated by dozens of other media outlets. Many of these same media outlets have been quick to editorialize about which guns Americans should and should not be allowed to own, when apparently they wouldn’t know a rifle or a shotgun from a barn door. Go figure.

You’re wearing both eye and ear protection, which are required, but a shooting vest and some custom earplugs might make you more comfortable – those earmuffs can get clammy on a hot day. Finally, a note to the photographer: It’s better policy to stand directly behind the shooter on any active range, because it’s safer and besides, you can see (and snap, if you’re quick) whether he hit the target.

Gun owners, by the way, have only a few short weeks before we see whether the Congress puts a target on our Second Amendment rights. We urge you and all our elected lawmakers to know your target, which is the criminal misuse of firearms, not arbitrary limits on which guns and magazines law-abiding citizens can legally purchase. Don’t aim the gun of heavy-handed restrictions and regulations at anything you’re not willing to destroy, including the hundreds of thousands of jobs our industry provides. Did you know that new restrictions on gun and ammunition purchases will also damage wildlife conservation programs? That’s because our nation’s federal conservation grants are funded primarily by the excise taxes on gun and ammo sales.

So the outcome of this pending legislative debate is very important. And believe me, we’re watching that even more closely than the pictures of you shooting a shotgun at Camp David.<<


21 posted on 02/05/2013 9:24:55 PM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: stranger and pilgrim

Whether the Camp David skeet range has been redone or not, there are no artifacts of a skeet range in Obama’s picture.


22 posted on 02/05/2013 9:28:38 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: stranger and pilgrim

Good post. Thank you.


23 posted on 02/05/2013 9:30:30 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: eastexsteve
I can't wait....next week, we'll see him hunting deer in Pennsylvania ...or putting radio collars on tigers in Hawaii.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 9:39:10 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: eastexsteve
GUN FOR SALE: Browning Citori XS Skeet in 20 gauge. Has 28" barrel with custom stock sized
for youngster or small frame female. Lightly used - fired only one round for photo-op. MSRP $3,199.
Asking only $2,699 but price is negotiable. Will also consider possible donation to Mexican drug cartel.

Call: Eric Holder, US Justice Department, 202-514-2000.


25 posted on 02/05/2013 9:40:59 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: eastexsteve

This is such a distraction. And everybody’s falling for it.

Who gives a shit if nobama has shot a shotgun. What difference does it make (to turn a phrase)?

I’m MUCH more worried about his destroying our precious country.

This is like his birth certificate that was posted on the WH web site. Everybody went nuts. Meanwhile the prick is dismantling our country a piece at a time. Bastard!


26 posted on 02/05/2013 9:41:27 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: eastexsteve

Good points. Thanks for the great explanation. I’ve only shot trap, and as much as I enjoy mocking “The One” I like to keep it real.


27 posted on 02/05/2013 9:41:46 PM PST by zagger
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To: Jet Jaguar
Steve and Susan Ford at the Camp David Skeet Range on Labor Day Weekend in 1974


28 posted on 02/05/2013 9:43:20 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: FredZarguna

neurological- transpose letters a lot- kinda like dyslexia, but different I guess- I even say words backerds often-


29 posted on 02/05/2013 9:50:16 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The National Shooting Sports Foundation [NSSF], strangely enough, headquartered in Newtown, Connecticut, a gun industry trade group that renovated the range at Camp David.

**NSSF provided consultants and donated “tens of thousands of dollars” of machinery and oversight to build the field to regulation standards, and provide shotgun safety instruction. The work was done at the request of the George W. Bush administration.**

Man, did *that* project ever turn around to bite them!

30 posted on 02/05/2013 9:50:49 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: eastexsteve

It might be shopped, but they would have been smart enough to make it authentic. He is at the number eight position and the camera is slightly behind that position. So the view is of a background that is in front of the towers and fence.


31 posted on 02/05/2013 9:51:54 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Datom

That’s right. And in the photo of Bronco Bama shooting, the smoke is coming out while the gun is still horizontal.


32 posted on 02/05/2013 9:52:01 PM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

I thought that’s who that was.


33 posted on 02/05/2013 9:53:13 PM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Daffynition

http://www.insanemedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/camp-david-skeet-shooting-ford.jpg

It’s not showing for me without some work. So I posted the link.


34 posted on 02/05/2013 9:53:17 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Ozymandias Ghost
Close, but, I’m pretty damned sure the guy firing the shotgun died in Nov 63!!!

That's what they want you to believe.

35 posted on 02/05/2013 9:54:29 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Daffynition

What I found unusual about the skeet shooting photo was his wristwatch.
There is a news story on 8-4-2012 about him spending his birthday playing golf for six hours then heading to Camp David in the evening (with his chef) to rest for the remaining part of the weekend.
There is a photo of him boarding the helicopter at the White House. He is dressed in tan pants, white shirt, and a black face watch.

At Camp David, skeet shooting, he is dressed in jeans, black Nike shirt, and white face watch. This watch looks like the one in the photo of him by the pool with a water gun at Camp David in June 2011.

Flying over to Camp David after six hours of golf, changing clothes AND WATCH, to go shooting before dinner seems odd to me.


36 posted on 02/05/2013 9:58:30 PM PST by Jude in WV
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To: stranger and pilgrim; eastexsteve; Jet Jaguar; rdl6989
See any differences?

There are men holding shot guns in the photos from the 1960’s

I notice in the picture of Obama firing a shotgun that the shotgun barrel appears to be ported in an unusual fashion. Note the plum of powder smoke back a way from the muzzle.

The porting seems to be further back on the barrel than I have seen before. It also looks like the port exhaust a bit to the right of the barrel.

Does anyone else find this a bit unusual?

37 posted on 02/05/2013 9:59:15 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: eastexsteve
Skeet-Gate: Some Constructive Advice for the President by Larry Keane of the NSSF

Skeet-Gate: Some Constructive Advice for the President

February 4, 2013 By Larry Keane No Comments

We here at NSSF were somewhat bemused over the controversy that sprang from President Obama’s assertion that he shot skeet on a regular basis, and the second wave of commentary that attended the White House release of a photo to prove it. There’s a reason we’re citing the New York Times coverage in the link above — we’ll get to that later.

The assertion came as no surprise to us, because NSSF sponsored and oversaw the renovation of the skeet field at Camp David. We provided one of the industry’s top facilities consultants, and donated tens of thousands of dollars of machinery, consulting and oversight to build the regulation field. We provided countless hours of shotgun and safety instruction as well. We were honored to provide this service for the office of the Presidency, and our investment appears to be paying off by recruiting new shooters. Welcome, Mr. President.

In the same vein, we can offer the president some constructive advice on his shooting. Mr. President, try leaning a little further forward into the shot to better manage recoil. Keep your feet about shoulder width apart, and put more weight on your leading foot. You appear to be shooting a gun with “neutral cast,” to wit, a straight stock. Since you’re shooting left-handed, you may want to look into a different stock cast to better accommodate you. And if you’re going to get a custom gun, make sure they measure your length of pull first. Proper gun fit makes an enormous difference in accuracy, and thus in your enjoyment of the sport.

You may also want to try out the semiautomatic shotguns that another one of our member companies donated to Camp David. These too come in left-handed versions, which eject the spent casing to your left, instead of to the right as is customary. No matter which way the case ejects when you shoot the semiautomatic, you’ll notice that the gun still only shoots one round per pull of the trigger, just like the over/under you’re shooting in the picture.

In fact, the semiautomatic shotguns are functionally identical to all the semiautomatic firearms that Senator Dianne Feinstein has proposed to ban in her sweeping new legislation, S. 150. We feel like we have to keep repeating that fact, because many of the media voices that consider themselves learned scholars on gun policy don’t even know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun, for heaven’s sake. Note that The New York Times article has a correction at the bottom of the page, because it originally said that you were shooting a rifle in the picture — a mistake quickly repeated by dozens of other media outlets. Many of these same media outlets have been quick to editorialize about which guns Americans should and should not be allowed to own, when apparently they wouldn’t know a rifle or a shotgun from a barn door. Go figure.

You’re wearing both eye and ear protection, which are required, but a shooting vest and some custom earplugs might make you more comfortable – those earmuffs can get clammy on a hot day. Finally, a note to the photographer: It’s better policy to stand directly behind the shooter on any active range, because it’s safer and besides, you can see (and snap, if you’re quick) whether he hit the target.

Gun owners, by the way, have only a few short weeks before we see whether the Congress puts a target on our Second Amendment rights. We urge you and all our elected lawmakers to know your target, which is the criminal misuse of firearms, not arbitrary limits on which guns and magazines law-abiding citizens can legally purchase. Don’t aim the gun of heavy-handed restrictions and regulations at anything you’re not willing to destroy, including the hundreds of thousands of jobs our industry provides. Did you know that new restrictions on gun and ammunition purchases will also damage wildlife conservation programs? That’s because our nation’s federal conservation grants are funded primarily by the excise taxes on gun and ammo sales.

So the outcome of this pending legislative debate is very important. And believe me, we’re watching that even more closely than the pictures of you shooting a shotgun at Camp David.

_________________________________
Categories: Government Relations, Industry News, Media Inaccuracies, Shooting, Top Stories |

38 posted on 02/05/2013 10:00:30 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Pontiac
The wonders of technology...


39 posted on 02/05/2013 10:02:24 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: eastexsteve

I’m still guessing that he screamed like a little girl and dropped the gun as soon as it went off.


40 posted on 02/05/2013 10:03:18 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thank you. :)


41 posted on 02/05/2013 10:04:57 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Pontiac

Not unusual on the range. A trap gun sould have a choke and is sometimes ported for ‘delicate’ shooters. Especially in .28 guage.

But, unusual for a double barrel skeet gun to only have one choke installed.


42 posted on 02/05/2013 10:05:24 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: lacrew

“He is at the number eight position and the camera is slightly behind that position.”

If he is at station 8, then he will miss by a mile with his barrel at that angle. Both the high and low clays will come almost directly overhead.

I still say he is standing in someone’s backyard. True, the photo is just another distraction. I’m just amused at his constant pathological lying.


43 posted on 02/05/2013 10:09:47 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Sorry to have repeated your NSSF info. :(


44 posted on 02/05/2013 10:11:55 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

green screen LOL!


45 posted on 02/05/2013 10:15:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: zagger

In skeet there can also be a running clay on the ground often called a ‘rabbit’. I’m ok on trap but prefer skeet closer to hunting season to get me back in semi shape - but long and short is some skeet sets have low runners.


46 posted on 02/05/2013 10:16:05 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: lacrew
It might be shopped, but they would have been smart enough to make it authentic. He is at the number eight position and the camera is slightly behind that position. So the view is of a background that is in front of the towers and fence.

There is a curve in the nearside of the road behind him that doesn't match the Camp David layout from that position

Closest I can work out is somewhere on the grass inside the hockeystick curve of the road with the photographer nearer and to the left. (Probably to catch the right position of late afternoon light)

47 posted on 02/05/2013 10:26:16 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: reed13k

You’re thinking of sporting clays - not skeet. Skeet targets are launched from either a high or low house on the same line - though the air - every time.


48 posted on 02/05/2013 10:27:38 PM PST by SpitfyrAce
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To: reed13k

“In skeet there can also be a running clay on the ground often called a ‘rabbit’. I’m ok on trap but prefer skeet closer to hunting season to get me back in semi shape - but long and short is some skeet sets have low runners.”

You might be referring to generic sporting clays in general. But, in tournament skeet on a tournament skeet range, there are no “rabbits” or “low runners.” There is one “low house” that throws them at a climbing angle, and one “high house” that throws them straight out.


49 posted on 02/05/2013 10:28:52 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: Oztrich Boy

You nailed it my friend! Ring up another one for Free Republic! He’s shooting at nothing...standing midfield on the grass! It’s a photo op with one shell in his Citori shotgun.


50 posted on 02/05/2013 10:30:12 PM PST by SpitfyrAce
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