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Baker Who Refused To Make Wedding Cake For Lesbian Couple Under Investigation (Gresham, Oregon)
Daily Mail UK ^ | 12:47 EST, 2 February 2013

Posted on 02/02/2013 12:43:35 PM PST by drewh

Aaron Klein, owner of Sweet Cakes in Gresham, Oregon, is the subject of a state investigation after one of the brides-to-be filed a complaint.

An Oregon baker has refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple, allegedly calling them 'abominations unto the Lord.'

Aaron Klein, owner of Sweet Cakes in Gresham, is the subject of a state investigation after one of the brides-to-be filed a complaint.

The woman claims Klein refused to take an order from her partner when he learned the cake was for a gay marriage.

Oregon Attorney General's civil enforcement office is now looking into the case to determine whether the baker broke the law by discriminating against the couple.

The Oregon Equality Act 2007 outlaws discrimination by an individual or a business against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity.

Klein denied calling the women 'abominations' but admitted to rejecting their custom.

'I apologized for wasting their time and said we don't do same-sex marriages,' he told KATU.

'I honestly did not mean to hurt anybody, didn't mean to make anybody upset, (it's) just something I believe in very strongly.'

He told the news station his religious beliefs were more important than making money and the state law. Religious: The bakery has clear symbols of Klein's faith on its walls, pictured

'If I have to be, I guess, be penalized for my beliefs, then I guess, well, that'll be what it is,' he said, adding that, in his view, his constitutional rights should override Oregon law.

'My First Amendment rights allow me to practice my religion as I see it,' Klein said.

The case will likely fall to a judge to decide. The women said they didn't want to talk about the complaint until they received further legal advice.

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To: bikerman

Good idea.

They can call their business ‘Wedding Gaykes’.


51 posted on 02/02/2013 2:26:47 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: gaijin

Glad to hear it, and glad you’ve the moral guns to stick by your opinions, and the opinions of God.


52 posted on 02/02/2013 2:29:43 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Signalman

THIS CAN GET TOUCHY. If a restaurant owner denies a black person service and claims “his religion” forbids him from serving blacks, I don’t think he’ll have much of a case.


I say to permit it, and let the market work it out.


53 posted on 02/02/2013 2:34:16 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Tyranny -> Genocide)
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To: drewh
'My First Amendment rights allow me to practice my religion as I see it,' Klein said.

Mr. Klein is referring here to the First Amendment, which is a part of the Bill of Rights, which in turn is part of some old parchment written hundreds of years ago.
How retro!

Klein expects modern political-hack judges to give a rat's ass about that kind of crap?
/headshake

54 posted on 02/02/2013 2:40:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: drewh
It's not like Aaron Klein's “Sweet Cakes” bakery in Gresham, OR, is the only bakery in town. If he has a problem with delivering the cake, these lesbians can go to another baker who will make it for them. It is his business if he does not want to conduct the transaction and they are free to contract with another that will bake the cake. It IS that simple.

This is nothing more than harassment and attempted intimidation of a private business. Lord, I do really, really dislike these aggressive fags.

55 posted on 02/02/2013 2:41:36 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: headstamp 2

I thought a business had the right to refuse service to anyone.
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Not since the Civil rights lunch counter confrontations.


56 posted on 02/02/2013 2:44:05 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: headstamp 2
I thought a business had the right to refuse service to anyone.

No, unfortunately that right was made invalid by the 1964 civil rights act. You or I can't demand that a baker sell us a cake and then have the baker heavily fined or put out of business if he doesn't, but a pair of homosexual perverts can. If that's not a specially created "right" for one type of people I don't know what would be.

The issue back at the time the Civil Rights Act was passed was primarily restaurants, hotels, and other businesses that refused service to black people. Congress decided and the courts agreed that the right of the state to regulate businesses trumped the right of the business's owner/operator in that particular situation, and I agree. I think that law was justifiable in those days because racial characteristics such as skin color and/or other physical features are usually determined by race and are irreversible even if the person in question wanted to change. But OTOH homosexuality has been proved beyond doubt to be reversible by literally tens of thousands of former practicing homosexuals who have come out of that perverse lifestyle and now live well adjusted normal lives with opposite-sex pardners and children. IMHO forcing people to go against their traditional American Christian beliefs simply in order to cater to the whims of that one particular portion of the population is wrong-headed and un-American no matter what the courts of today say.

57 posted on 02/02/2013 2:56:21 PM PST by epow (The way of the cross leads home)
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To: SkyDancer

That’s right. We need a special dispensation from the government just to live.

That’s the problem with the tax-exempt status of religion. The government can always threaten to take that status away — forcing churches to allow gay marriages or hire gay job applicants.


58 posted on 02/02/2013 3:04:53 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

Or the free exercise thereof. Something in the Constitution about that.


59 posted on 02/02/2013 3:06:28 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: American in Israel

By law, businesses cannot reject people on the basis of race. But they should have that right. Black business owners, and white owners, no matter who, should be able to sell to whomever they want. It is THEIR property.

Senator Ran Paul, son of Ron, was absolutely right when he said the Civil Rights Act was a big government power grab, crushing our property rights.


60 posted on 02/02/2013 3:09:41 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: SkyDancer

Government attacks religion around the edges. Sure, the government says, you have the right to free exercise of religion. But this particular job or activity is only 23 percent religion and 77 percent business. We will take your tax exemption away unless you allow gays to use this particular facility or engage in this particular activity.


61 posted on 02/02/2013 3:13:39 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: epow

I think businesses should have the right to serve or not serve anyone they please. To deny that right, as now-Senator Ran Paul once pointed out, is a denial of our property rights. Once big government gets its big foot in that door, all bets are off. The gay Oregon law is proof of that.


62 posted on 02/02/2013 3:16:25 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: Signalman; rarestia
I would suspect that Mr Klein is expressing his Jewish moral values which, believe it or not,sometimes coincide with Christian values.

Mr. Klein has crosses hanging on his walls, a pretty good indicator that he's not Jewish.

63 posted on 02/02/2013 3:35:28 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: drewh; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ..
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

64 posted on 02/02/2013 3:38:20 PM PST by narses
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65 posted on 02/02/2013 3:38:56 PM PST by narses
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To: Graybeard58

hehe

Lots of FReepers believe they can spot-the-Jew by someone’s last name, magically transforming Germans and other Europeans into Jews. Not even Sarah Palin and Pope John Paul II are spared.

Given the intermarriage rate in the USA, someone with even a last name like Cohen or Levi is only about 50% likely to be Jewish.


66 posted on 02/02/2013 3:46:06 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: headstamp 2

“I thought a business had the right to refuse service to anyone.”

Should be, but now that it’s become a “civil rights” thing in many states, if you don’t want to do business with them you are “violating their civil rights.”

Your right not to help celebrate abomination is not considered, apparently.


67 posted on 02/02/2013 4:17:22 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: heye2monn
The government can always threaten to take that status away — forcing churches to allow gay marriages or hire gay job applicants.

I'm a born again Christian (there's no other kind) first and a Baptist 2nd, and I believe my local church would give up it's tax free status when, not if, it comes down to a choice between obeying God's Holy Word or relinquishing it's tax exempt status. If I'm wrong about that matter I will leave my current local church and look for another one that has a strong Christian backbone like the great Apostle Paul's. In his Holy Spirit-inspired epistles he told us to obey government's JUST laws which are ordained by God, but not to obey Caesar when his UNJUST laws conflict with God's commands. I don't think there is any question about whether or not a government order to tolerate or ignore a gross sin such as homosexual depravity is NOT ordained by God since He identifies homosexual acts as a prominent one of the gross sins that the antediluvian people practiced in their heyday, (see Romans ch 1, v 26-27) and by so doing brought down God's judgment on their depraved civilization.

Simply said, I will NOT be a member of any so-called church or denomination that tolerates the practice of homosexual depravity and/or approves same-sex "marriage" by it's members. If that means paying higher taxes than are paid by those Christians who are willing to compromise with gross sin in exchange for a tax exemption so be it.

68 posted on 02/02/2013 4:38:07 PM PST by epow (The way of the cross leads home)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL! Home run, crip.


69 posted on 02/02/2013 4:44:10 PM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: Lancey Howard
Mr. Klein is referring here to the First Amendment, which is a part of the Bill of Rights, which in turn is part of some old parchment written hundreds of years ago. How retro!

Bingo!

Liberals tell us that the Bible has no place in modern life because it was written 2000 years ago and doesn't apply today because "It's the 21st century now...."

Now it's the same argument they use against the FIRST amendment AND in justification of Obama's war on guns and the SECOND Amendment because THEY were written over 200 years ago and don't apply to today because "It's the 21st century now...."

My Grandmother always used to say that when people don't know what they're talking about or don't have any facts to back them up,they just tell you what year,decade,or century it is......"

70 posted on 02/02/2013 5:28:20 PM PST by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: Flick Lives

Ironically. In Russia today his rights would have been protected.


71 posted on 02/02/2013 5:29:38 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: drewh

For what it’s worth, I watched some youtube videos last night that exposed how the music industry has been subverted and how homosexuality is one of the prominent tools of the devil. It was disturbing to learn all the sneaky things I’ve missed; much of the other stuff was obvious and blatant, ie. rap/gangster nonsense, but other music and musicians, I admit I had no idea.

The wheels have flown off and morals are in the ditch.
I pray for relief in this time of vile human history.


72 posted on 02/02/2013 5:59:40 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: jjotto
First names are not necessarily indicative either, such as, Abraham Lincoln.

My wife's grand mother's maiden name was Cohen, no, she wasn't Jewish either.

I'm presently reading in the Torah (I'm not Jewish either).

I got interested recently when someone posted a picture with a caption that "the Hebrews came out of Egypt armed", this doesn't jibe with the Old Testament version, so like a good little Baptist boy, I started studying to learn more.

It would be helpful if I could read the Hebrew text in the original language but I can't.

73 posted on 02/02/2013 6:58:31 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58

hehe

I tend to resist Procrustean readings of the Torah!

You might be interested these comments on Exodus 13:

http://www.kby.org/english/torat-yavneh/view.asp?id=3664


74 posted on 02/02/2013 7:09:17 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: drewh

It’s easy to forget that being jailed because of religious beliefs has been the rule, rather than the exception.

...and for 200+ years, we were the exception, but I guess that experiment has ended.


75 posted on 02/02/2013 11:55:58 PM PST by BobL
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To: xone

You’re right...Government will have a lot more to do than screw with Christians...but they will do that too.

Within thirty years it will be politically incorrect to go to a Christian service. It will be akin to smoking in public.


76 posted on 02/03/2013 4:05:42 AM PST by kjo (+)
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To: drewh

Add another one to the growing list of hundreds of instances of homo-fascism that the Gaystapo will ignore or deny.


77 posted on 02/03/2013 4:36:11 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: epow

You say some good, reasonable things.

Unfortunately I think most churches and conservative groups are wedded to their finances, including the tax exemption.

As a result, Chick-Fil-A and the Boy Scouts are caving in to financial and media pressure and backing away on the homosexual issue.


78 posted on 02/03/2013 7:47:01 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn
Once big government gets it's big foot in that door, all bets are off. The gay Oregon law is proof of that.

Exactly. If I had the time I could make a list of the liberties we have lost in that manner during my 75 years on this ball of dirt. In one way it makes it easier for me to contemplate my eminent departure from here to reside in a far better place.

My main concern now is the future of my kids and grand kids, what kind of world will they have to live in 40-50 years from now? Not the same one I once knew and loved, that's for sure.

79 posted on 02/03/2013 7:47:36 AM PST by epow (The way of the cross leads home)
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To: kjo

“It won’t be too much longer before Christians face heavy civil penalities for practicing their beliefs. Soon thereafter criminal penalities will follow.”


Fear not...because “soon thereafter”, we will be with the Lord.


80 posted on 02/03/2013 8:00:23 PM PST by ourworldawry
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To: Signalman

US civil rights code would override a state constitution, but that is not the case here. YET (Barack has promised to do something about it as soon as he can)


81 posted on 02/04/2013 8:50:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Graybeard58

It’s a question that the bible text does not speak to. It’s possible that the now-written oral traditions of the Jews could furnish further details in some cases, but remember Jesus scolded the Pharisees, the custodians of these works, that they were getting it wrong.


82 posted on 02/04/2013 8:55:52 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: kjo

What’s next? Make them wear gold stars?


83 posted on 02/04/2013 9:03:38 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. Let's start over.)
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