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To: fieldmarshaldj

So lets say you had to explain to a black voter in Chicago why the vote of a white guy in Mattoon should count 2 or 3 or even 4 times as much as their vote?

What would your argument to them be?


19 posted on 01/31/2013 12:12:09 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Representative Republic. Not Democracy. Are the votes of the entire state being represented? Or because of shear volume and I’ll add ignorance are they not? The answer is simple. Certain people are now voting to steal the hard earned dollars of their fellow Americans. The people who pay the taxes are being outvoted in massive urban areas of uninformed voters and that is not a “Representative Republic”. That’s Democracy and it is very dangerous. When do they get to out vote us on our right to life?


26 posted on 01/31/2013 12:44:16 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: Strategerist

Representative Republic. Not Democracy. Are the votes of the entire state being represented? Or because of shear volume and I’ll add ignorance are they not? The answer is simple. Certain people are now voting to steal the hard earned dollars of their fellow Americans. The people who pay the taxes are being outvoted in massive urban areas of uninformed voters and that is not a “Representative Republic”. That’s Democracy and it is very dangerous. When do they get to out vote us on our right to life?


27 posted on 01/31/2013 12:44:36 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: Strategerist; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; BlackElk; EternalVigilance; Dr. Sivana; Clemenza; ...

Trying to explain to someone you are presumably portraying as a Zero voter is going to be a near impossibility. If they cannot vote in their own best interests (which they aren’t), that doesn’t mean the rest of us who do should be sucked down the drain with them.

If there is any shred of reasoning, one could take the approach as such. Say you have 100 people living on a block (all voters). Let’s say 49 of the people live in nice homes on the block, all kept up and maintained. Everyone gainfully employed. Then let’s say 51 of the people live in a rundown apartment building at the end of the block. They’re mostly criminal, perpetual welfare cases. They don’t work, don’t want to work. They are the low or no info voters, ones swayed by politicians who count on demogoguery and race baiting (”They’re gonna put you back in chains !”) and essentially need these folks to remain dumbed down and dependent.

Anyway, come voting day, the 49 voters vote responsibly, but they get outvoted by the 51 voters who do not, the ones who vote for a corrupt status quo. It may be a victory for democracy, but it is not a victory for personal responsibility or moral governance. Where is it written that said 51 have the right to forcefully take from those 49 who work hard, want a responsible and moral society and demand the others do as they will ?

The alternative here is that the 49 choose to just vacate the block and move elsewhere to where they have a majority (in which case, they’d have to go out of state). How is that particularly fair ?

I’ve reached the point where voting should not be a right, but a privilege. Certain things should disqualify you from being a voter. If you are on welfare, taking from those that work, you should not have a vote. You’re going to vote for politicians who are going to keep you on welfare. You’re voting for “free” money. Also, if you work for the government (with the sole exception of those who put their lives on the line in military or police/fire/emergency capacities), you should also not have a vote. You’re voting for your own employment and income at the expense of those who do not.

The premier example of the latter is that the Founding Fathers did not want DC residents having the vote, since those people would presumably be government workers. It’s no surprise that DC and its suburbs have become heavily Democrat and absolutely need the government to keep getting larger. As was stated long ago, once people could discover how to vote themselves free money (and benefits), that is the end of a republic.


28 posted on 01/31/2013 12:48:41 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Strategerist
So lets say you had to explain to a black voter in Chicago why the vote of a white guy in Mattoon should count 2 or 3 or even 4 times as much as their vote?
What would your argument to them be?

What makes it worse is that somebody did the math when this silly idea was floated (before it sank) in VA -- turns out that the scheme makes Obama voters count approximately three-fifths weight.

There may be a more toxic political meme out there, but I don't know what it is. (Though if there is, I'm sure the current leadership of the GOP is dumb enough to find it and present it to the 'Rats as a club with which to beat them.)

29 posted on 01/31/2013 12:58:38 PM PST by fractionated
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