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A Less Obvious Reason Why GOP Should Cave on Obamaís Immigration Plan: Itís Conservative
National Journal ^ | 30 January 2013 | Ron Fournier

Posted on 01/30/2013 8:51:39 AM PST by Army Air Corps

For all the talk about President Obama’s liberalism, his immigration agenda is the last thing you might expect: conservative.

His enemies might deny it. His staff might not recognize it. But the argument Obama presented Tuesday for a path to citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants is rooted in economic and social conservatism.

First, in a Las Vegas address that included the words “economy” or “economic” 10 times, Obama argued that immigration fuels corporate innovation. “It keeps our workforce young. It keeps our country on the cutting edge,” he said. “And it’s helped build the greatest economic engine the world has ever known.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; obama; reform
What next, the Beltway Boys are gonna tell us that Obama is like Curtis LeMay and to the right of Goldwater?
1 posted on 01/30/2013 8:51:48 AM PST by Army Air Corps
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To: Army Air Corps

If that plan is “conservative”, Obama actually was qualified to get into Harvard, too.


2 posted on 01/30/2013 8:55:22 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Army Air Corps

Illegals are government growth hormone and anyone who supports amnesty and calls themselves a conservative is a liar.

30 million illegals is enough to create some 50 new congressional districts (primarily democrat) and all the costs, pork, earmarks, entitlements, and liberal votes associated with them.

This is nothing more than a plan to politically exterminate conservatism in America.


3 posted on 01/30/2013 8:56:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Army Air Corps

What’s going to happen with all these illegals becoming legal? Right now, most are working - but they are working under the table for less than minimum wage. Once they become legal, their employers will have to increase their pay. How attractive will they be to employ? How many will suddenly become unemployed? I can’t wait for all this to happen...


4 posted on 01/30/2013 8:57:08 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Army Air Corps

11 million people with 2nd grade educations are going to fuel corporate innovation? Yeah right...


5 posted on 01/30/2013 9:01:01 AM PST by avacado
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To: Army Air Corps

“His enemies might deny it. His staff might not recognize it. But the argument Obama presented Tuesday for a path to citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants is rooted in economic and social conservatism.”

Rooted in economic and social conservatism? Hmmm. Nah, not feeling it Ron. Therefore, I’m still an enemy and still denying it. In his entire political career, BHO has never done anything remotely economically and social conservatve.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 9:01:17 AM PST by princeofdarkness (The GOP is the present version of 1940 France and it will only get worse.)
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To: Army Air Corps

What a crock!


7 posted on 01/30/2013 9:02:15 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Yeah, right. Like importing millions of people who are barely literate is going to breed technical innovation. If that were the case, mexico would be a technological and innovative powerhouse. Enforcing existing law and setting a high standard for immigration guarantees quality new Americans, not throwing open the floodgates for millions of potential welfare recipients.


8 posted on 01/30/2013 9:04:47 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Ron Fournier is a Communist. His articles are assuredly leftist going back many years.

I don’t trust this article one bit.

Red Herring Alert!


9 posted on 01/30/2013 9:04:59 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Conservative is to secure the border and enforce the law.

Let the chips fall.


10 posted on 01/30/2013 9:05:19 AM PST by marron
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To: Army Air Corps
This seems to be the new line we are being sold by the RINO wing of the party. The difference between now and 2007 is that even conservative stalwarts like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News seem to be pushing this line. It's virtually the same plan that the usual suspects put forward in 2007 (maybe even a little worse). But somehow we are suppose to believe it's “conservative” now and poor old dumb Obama is getting snookered into giving his support. Yeah right, I was born in the dark, but it wasn't last night.
11 posted on 01/30/2013 9:05:29 AM PST by apillar
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To: Army Air Corps

So enabling illegal activity is now “conservative?”


12 posted on 01/30/2013 9:06:14 AM PST by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Well let’s see...Food prices will have to go up, and landscaping, hotel/motel housekeeping, construction labor, etc.

The unemployment numbers will have a sudden upward jump, as will expenditures for unemployment benefits, food stamps, etc.

So to sum up: Your cost of living will go up, Your competition for jobs will go up. Your national debt and probably your taxes will go up.

Next question: Cui bono? Who stands to gain from legalizing the illegals?


13 posted on 01/30/2013 9:09:09 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: cripplecreek

Best bet on that citizenship trick is Congress grant them CANADIAN citizenship.


14 posted on 01/30/2013 9:09:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Army Air Corps

Conservative my Arse. I’ll reluctantly agree to permanent resident status for the illegals already here, but NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP!


15 posted on 01/30/2013 9:10:29 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Army Air Corps

Conservative my Arse. I’ll reluctantly agree to permanent resident status for the illegals already here, but NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP!


16 posted on 01/30/2013 9:10:48 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: cripplecreek

17 posted on 01/30/2013 9:14:05 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Army Air Corps

Somebody from National Journal is telling us what’s “conservative.” That’s rich.


18 posted on 01/30/2013 9:15:34 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Smedley
So enabling illegal activity is now “conservative?”

Well, one definition of 'conserve' is "to keep things the same" -- in that manner, yes [government] enabling illegal activity is quite conservative.

19 posted on 01/30/2013 9:16:06 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Yo-Yo

And when you give them permanent resident status they go off to court with the ACLU & get their voting rights granted.


20 posted on 01/30/2013 9:16:55 AM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Army Air Corps

Any article about illegal immigration containing the term “11 million” is garbage.


21 posted on 01/30/2013 9:18:23 AM PST by Governor William J. LePetomane (The affairs of state must take precedent over the affairs of state.)
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To: LearsFool

One of the reasons why the political class love the illegals is because those who have phony Social Security numbers are paying into a system and will not be able to collect. They are helping to keep the system afloat.

Once the illegals become legal, they will be eligible to draw... Even those who never paid in!


22 posted on 01/30/2013 9:19:58 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Army Air Corps

How stupid can you get?

Obama SAYS that these guys will join the workforce and be productive.

But even Obama isn’t dumb enough to believe that. Some will do odd jobs. Some will join the welfare force. Some will join the drug gangs. Almost all will vote Democrat.

Yeah, good plan. Abort as many American babies as you can, at taxpayer expense, and as the workforce ages, bring in young Mexican illegals to replace them. Where is that leading us?


23 posted on 01/30/2013 9:23:46 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Flycatcher
That is the most succinct description of this hokum.
24 posted on 01/30/2013 9:25:10 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Smedley

EXACTLY!
The most conservative principle is, “Rule of law.”
If it’s an O’Commie idea it’s designed to destroy his opposition. Can anyone say slippery slope?


25 posted on 01/30/2013 9:26:09 AM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: Army Air Corps
Eleven million new Democrats. Now hat's a conservative's dream. The Democrat Party will have a generations long- make that permanent- lock on the presidency and on the state and federal offices in states that get the new voters. And it won't be merely eleven million. Amnesty will set off a flood of new immigrants north, not to mention that that eleven million is the number Democrats use to show that there arent that many, after all. The real number is more likely closer to forty million. And this methodical road to citizenship? it will be done in football stadiums very rapidly with little actual preparation beyond instructions on how to vote from their socialist hearts.

When that huge number of new socialists/democrats is added to the system the Constitution will quickly fade even as a phony justification for unconstitutional acts.Hugo Obamez will be with us a long time.

26 posted on 01/30/2013 9:41:43 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Da Coyote

The “Latino” lobbying groups who push for this always seem to forget that there are more than Latin Americans in the illegal immigration numbers. There are millions of illegal immigrants from Asia, over a million from Africa, about half a million from Europe, etc. Do these folks get amnesty or is the amnesty candy only given to people from Latin America? I ask this because their assumption is that illegal immigration is only from Mexico in particular or Latin America as a whole. When I ask this question of the Amnesty pimps, I get a blank stare because it never occurred to them that there is such a thing as an illegal immigrant from places other than Latin American countries.


27 posted on 01/30/2013 9:53:06 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: LearsFool
The CommuniDemocrat Party and the Total State.
28 posted on 01/30/2013 9:54:06 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Army Air Corps

It would be conservative it implied the death penalty for those violating the rules and abusing the refugee status meant for true dissidents, getting dissidents truly harassed as they come here by the very human traffikers still following them legalized in the same neighborhood.

OBama is a criminal and a relentless homosexual pursuer of his victims. He is empowered, Lanza style, because he knows his date of death and suicide attack.

But the whole exercise of punishing with death penalty the treason of the treaty is pointless since the illegals already are getting away today with murder, litteraly.

Mexico playing the NAzi Hitler suedeten land politics each time one of theirs faces the death penalty in texas are acts of war that we ignore.

Keep messing around, eggs get broken both sides all the time when making “amnesty” omelettes, and winds can change.

Liberals keep messing around, but a Hitler who will not see the difference between a people needing to adopt a reasonable language and the race which adopted it might very well rise.

We know all too well our good willing thugs in government, how they go CYA and red in the face angry when their treachery or stupidity is exposed. I know a fascist and a pre-fascist when I see a nice and feminine one.


29 posted on 01/30/2013 10:00:13 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Army Air Corps

Once Amnesty is a fact, groups other than Latinos that tend to vote socialist to a large degree will be identified and included. The only way the Democrat party loses is if the immigration tide from Latin America swells to the level that a new and competing Socialist Party supplants the Democrat Party in the vote. The USA, of course, loses, no matter what.


30 posted on 01/30/2013 10:06:00 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: LearsFool
Well let’s see...Food prices will have to go up, and landscaping, hotel/motel housekeeping, construction labor, etc.

So... isn't this an argument for also not deporting illegals? Help me out here; am I supposed to be all in favor of enforcing immigration laws except in cases where it would raise the price of produce? Is this what "sticking by our principles" means?

Yes, I'm being snarky here, but this bugs me. Maybe you didn't mean it this way, but I've seen too many people turn a blind eye to illegal workers when the issue becomes the price of products. If we "solve" illegal immigration (however we do it), then it's going to cost more to do the jobs they were doing illegally. That's going to hit us in the pocketbooks. We have to be OK with that.

31 posted on 01/30/2013 10:08:44 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: Mr. Know It All

I think you’re absolutely right, and I agree with you 100%.

So what’s the difference between amnesty and deportation? Same as between paying higher prices for American goods versus higher prices for Chinese goods. Either way we’ll pay more. It’s just a question of whether the extra cost benefits us or someone else.

Here’s a hypothetical: Suppose I agitated for a minimum-wage increase, and your friend Bob campaigned against it, but it passed anyway. If Bob and I both show up at your business to apply for a minimum-wage job opening, which one will you be inclined to hire?

And to carry that a bit further: If you know Bob donates to FR and that I donate to DU, will that influence your decision?

Prices and wages have long been skewed by the illegal-alien problem. If they are ever to return to normal, it’s gonna hurt. But if it happens via deportation, some factors (increase in demand for labor, resulting increase in wages, etc.) will at least mitigate the pain.

The fact that the big push is for amnesty instead of deportation indicates somebody else will benefit from that option, cuz you and I certainly won’t.


32 posted on 01/30/2013 10:39:32 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Army Air Corps
However many illegal aliens that would/could qualify for any such program, multiply times THREE!!!

In 1986, the suggested amount was a "mere 1.3 Million" that wound up between 3 and 4 Million, not nearly the 1.3 as claimed.

As to the "reform" being "conservative" I must need either a nap or a drink as I'm unable to make any sense at all in the article.

I'd say "too much consumin' goin' on in DC (liquor or drugs)," to quote former Sen. Ernest Hollings, responsible for these types of statements.

33 posted on 01/30/2013 10:58:01 AM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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“Once they become legal, their employers will have to increase their pay.”

Nope! Those employers will start smuggling in the next wave of millions of Bangladeshis to work cheap and off the tax books.

The Hispanics will just go on welfare, food stamps, and unemployment checks, which President Hillary will extend to 520 weeks.

And when the Bengalis get uppity, there’s some other place we can get illegals from for the next wave.


34 posted on 01/30/2013 11:23:00 AM PST by oldbill
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To: oldbill

Prepare for half the populations of China and India.


35 posted on 01/30/2013 11:48:48 AM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: LongWayHome
And when you give them permanent resident status they go off to court with the ACLU & get their voting rights granted.

Permanent residents can not have voting rights granted, only citizens, natural born, naturalized, or forged birth certificate can have voting rights. (Certain felons excepted.)

36 posted on 01/30/2013 1:27:19 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Army Air Corps

At least all the illegals will have a shot at government jobs, affirmative action has all but made white males a rarity in the government, I guess will have English as option two now!


37 posted on 01/30/2013 2:08:18 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: Yo-Yo

You need to look up Bill Clinton’s 1996 Citizenship USA program which made over a million resident status immigrants instant citizens in time for the election.


38 posted on 01/30/2013 3:28:53 PM PST by oldbill
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To: Army Air Corps
It's all a stupid sham.

Without effective enforcement all these plans are just whistling in the win.

And effective enforcement is the thing we're not going to get.

Also, any plan without an alternative "path back to wherever you came from" isn't worth much.

39 posted on 01/30/2013 3:40:45 PM PST by x
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To: oldbill

I lived through the Clintoon years, and I remember this sham. But again, permanent resident aliens were not given the right to vote. Clintoon’s program simply speeded up those who were already in the process of seeking citizenship.


40 posted on 01/30/2013 4:33:59 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Army Air Corps

How can you take anyone seriously who talks about 11 million illegal aliens? It’s more like 25-30 by now. First time I heard that 11-12 million number was ten or more years ago


41 posted on 01/30/2013 4:44:15 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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