Posted on 01/22/2013 8:17:43 PM PST by deek69
A new Associated Press-GfK poll has found that more than 60 percent of Americans now favor allowing a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country.
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The taste of reconquista gets stronger and stronger. The conniving, wily latinos know their extortionate demands will be met----but only when vote-crazed politicans are clobberd by latino pressure groups----and accede to Third World demands.
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Mexico is pushing north at a furious space---salivating for reconquista and lusting for US foreign aid billions. "Pressure groups" are being pushed over the border--- financed and coached by the Third World. The wailing and whining propaganda is tailor-made for vote-crazed US politicians who will do ANYTHING for a couple of votes.
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Through massive vote fraud, a propagandist media, and compliant courts, Obama won without firing a shot. I will never forget that evil smile he flashed when he came onstage election night.
The sinister Obamatons stole the election--targeting the all-important 5 swing states (w/ Republican Governors in many of them---and Repub Secy's of State who determine voter fraud)........
Mincing, grinning Romney never looked more stupid than when he conceded---he remained duped and sap-happy til the end......like McDumbo/McCain.
Oh your lunatic ravings do not bother me much. I understand hate and despair. You of course have lost sight of the real issues. You can’t fix problems your way from the minority.
The big issue is how to become the majority again. Your ravings seem to indicate apathy and stupidity as the culprits. This may be true but it is not a solution. The exit polls in 88 and 12 tell a remarkable story. They are the same.
Calling people stupid is not the answer. Broadening the base with outreach is. It takes work, time, and tolerance. The more you try to drive people away because they are not pure well......
A leader with no followers is just a guy talking to himself.
But suppose the senate accepts that "dream act" compromise? My view is that the voting part would appear later, perhaps via an EO, perhaps via a new bill. So the real result could be that we are one step closer to a leftist super majority of voters.
Dream acts, guest worker programs, we know what happens eventually. They couple with somebody here or bring somebody illegally and have a baby here, or just wait for immigration policy to change.
That would not happen if, as you argue, Dems will not accept the no-path-to-citizenship poison pill. But if they realize that eating the poison pill will result in citizenship eventually (because new laws supersede old ones), that would be a victory for them.
The value of the no-path-to-citizenship amendment would not be that it prevents those amnestied from voting forever if the bill passed (look at how well the govt. kept its promise to "secure the border" in the Reagan amnesty), but rather, as in your plan, it provokes Dems and RINOs to vote against it and eliminate the bill with extreme prejudice. Maybe they should add a few other poison pills just to make sure.
They wont. In fact they have close to that now w no bill.
Dems have already made it clear that immigration reform must have path to citizenship, they use those specific words every time they reference it (like Reid just did) and as I said the unions demand it. And :
Obama Helped Kill Immigration Reform In 2007 - Will Media Remember?(By Noel Sheppard | April 29, 2010) because there was no path to citizenship
Republicans have gone back to 2008 status, they are distrusted on every issue.
The goal here is to look like they are willing to compromise while poisoning the deal, but its important that they not get on TV and talk stupid like they did the past few years. Rather than saying on TV “We wont accept any...” they should say
“This country was built by hard working immigrants who came here to make a better life and obey our laws and pay their taxes . We welcome them”
Talk compassion just like O does when he wins/
Immigration reform is coming. Hispanics came out to vote last year in great numbers and will continue. Rubio calls for ‘path to voting’. This needs to be headed off.
And Liz has a great list of deal killers that should go in the bill that all sound like common sense.
Like no reform (amnesty) to those who committed ID fraud, which as she will note most had to do to live here.
Detailed back-ground checks,... she should repost it.
“know your enemy’
One reason O creams Rs so often that is unappreciated by most here is that he knew pretty much how Rs would react in each situation, because they are so predictable,
Sen. Reid warns: No immigration bill without an amnesty (January 18, 2013)
dang, why do you hate lettuce so much ???
Either little chopperjc is the kind of spineless and unprincipled Republican who has caused millions of alienated Americans not to vote - because they see no difference between the two parties. Or little chopperjc is a mole misdirecting Republicans into pandering to Hispanics for votes of a group they will never win - at the cost of alienating even more Americans into not voting. In either case he would have us continue to ignore the alienated 40% who don't vote to chase a far smaller minority vote; one ripe with Democrat engineered voter fraud, bought with taxpayer subsidies, maxed out by the leftwing activist election day ground game, and one that Democrats have always and will always win.
And just in case you were trying to weasel out of the origins of our dispute, the subject of this thread was a BS leftwing poll claiming most Americans approve of Amnesty for illegals - to which you posted that "we" should therefore adapt that as our position.
It so happens that similarly, on a previous FR thread, you wrote that some BS leftwing poll results in favor of more gun-control should have "us" adapt to that position(Post-9).
Funny how every time the leftwing media has an agenda to press, they publish BS poll results in support of that agenda and then characters like you popup claiming to be Conservatives to tell real Conservatives that they must abandon their principles and accept that leftwing agenda.
You've played all your cards. The only remaining question: troll or useful idiot?
CONTACT YOUR CONG/man: Repubs need to act now----legislation should be amended to deny citizenship:
(1) to illegals who bought forged/faked multiple identities;
(2) to illegals who fraudulently voted in American elections;
(3) to illegals cashing one or more US govt checks;
(4) to all illegals convicted of crimes;
(5) to illegals w/ fraudulent drivers' licenses;
(6) to illegals undermining the US ecocomy by sending US tax dollars back to their homelands;
(7) to illegals affiliated with latino organizations undermining US ntl security;
(8) to illegals connected to the hatemongering "La Raza" and to "Raza Studies" that advocates killing Americans;
(9) to illegals who returned to US after being deported one or more times;
(10) to illegals whose parents fraudently declared them on EITC apps;
(11) to illegals who unlawfully received US govt gratuities in exchange for their votes.
.............and so on and so forth......
CONTACT YOUR CONG/man: Repubs need to act now----legislation should be amended to deny citizenship:
(1) to illegals who bought forged/faked multiple identities;
(2) to illegals who fraudulently voted in American elections;
(3) to illegals cashing one or more US govt checks;
(4) to all illegals convicted of crimes;
(5) to illegals w/ fraudulent drivers' licenses;
Our 'leaders' MUST STOP importing criminals. We have enough home grown criminals without taking in people who go out of their way to flaunt criminal behavior. What the hell is wrong with our 'leaders'? Don't democrats know criminals prey on American citizens?
Are 'democrats' leaders corrupt or stupid?
Are Republican 'leaders' stupid, corrupt or too lazy to figure this out?
STOP IMPORTING criminals... period.
I was under the impression that they sneak in on their own across the border at night, or pay smugglers to sneak them (and kids) across.
what are you talking about?
GOPJ is right----vote-crazed pols ARE importing criminals.
Everytime they hear a pol say "amnesty"---Mexico sends out the alarm---and the Third Worlders make a beeline for the border.
Mexican pressure groups on their way to America.....to badger the vote-crazed Congress to send billions in $$foreign aid down Mexico way.
They cross the border IN BROAD DAYLIGHT with backpacks containing voter registration forms, EITC apps, multiple forged and faked documents, etc.
They're salivating to ride the US gravy train---an endless supply of tax-paid giveaways, freebies---in exchange for their votes.
‘Voter registration forms’ ....LOL
They are filling them out in Spanish in the back of the smugglers trucks.
You kill me Liz :)
Dems say, "if you break the laws of the United States - and come across our boarders illegally you'll be rewarded with citizenship'. Not too subtle... but why?
The reason dems 'invite' illegals is because criminals prop up the power of white liberal elites... and they pit these people against traditional Americans.
<><>ICE's "documents and benefits fraud task force" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.
<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist---had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.
<><>June 26, 2010 An illegal using multiple identities was sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemployment compensation. Manuel Mejia Ordonez, got eight years for conspiracy to commit mail fraud........and identity theft.
<><> Hilderberto Salinas sold state drivers' licenses issued out of the state’s Motor Vehicle Agency in NJ to illegals with multiple identities who did not have the necessary id's....among 40 people who participated in the widespread ring. "Impoverished" illegals paid $2,500 to $7,000 apiece for the licenses.
<><> July 21, 2006----NJ BERGEN RECORD---Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity, NJ L/E authorities said. The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards, said state police.
The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot. The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout.
After a search, police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.
All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to "impoverished illegals." Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards. ####
<><> US Dept of the Treasury Says Illegal Aliens Collecting Billions in Tax Credits According to the US Dept of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit. $20 billion EITC is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying official apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.
REFERENCE March 8, 2012 KENNER, La. -- Kenner police arrested illegal Marvin Baca who sold false W-2 forms to another illegal immigrant for $1,500. Baca sold fraudulent W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics here illegally.
Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a SS no of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive EITC refunds. Baca was charged with one count of ID theft and two counts of forgery.
They are bussed to the polls and promised a fiesta---at the pols they get a Taco Bell burrito w/ the name of the vote-crazed pol on the wrapper.
During World War II, Mexico was the site of pro-German activity while US soldiers were being slaughtered by the German war machine and innocent Jews were sent to death camps. US secret agents found supplies of high test aviation gas hidden by the German high command in Baja California....a Mexican outpost.
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WHY IS MEXICO MEDDLING IN US POLITICS?---- Proof Mexico has NEVER been our friend!
Mexicans sign petition for U.S. gun control
http://www.whptv.com/news/world/story/Mexicans-sign-petition-for-U-S-gun-control/c3oLDyvpy0mJUgXuDEBSyw.cspx?rss=53
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Mexico and the Third World are pushing north at a furious pace----visions of foreign aid tax dollars dancing in their heads. These are more of their Fifth Column pressure groups acting on orders from their homelands.
The Mexican government adopts one, very smooth, tone when speaking to its patsies in America---vote-crazed US pols---- and another, very militant, tone when speaking to its own people about its ruthlessness in pursuing its own national interest at the expense of ours.
As long as vote-crazed politicans continue to suck-up to hyphenates to get re/elected, this scam will continue.
These BS left wing polls are always wrong. How did that un-skewing thing go again?
In my opinion you are either a spineless unprincipled useful idiot or a leftist troll. Regardless, the WHY -clearly you advocate leftist positions and premise such arguments based upon poll results and changing demographics. Such a premise is severely flawed in that it denies the reality that America is Republic and that there are rights inalienable that a mob can never legitimately deny.
The name of this website should provide a clue -however, you remain clueless and instead continue to push your leftist agenda.
Free Republic is not a liberal debating society -even when there are polls and demographics as premise for such debate!
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