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To: DustyMoment
Why do you believe that?

Because a revolt will have to be violent. There will be no support for that plus it will rally the other side. Secession is non-violent and forces the other side to shoot first. I don't believe Zero will ever be able to convince the armed forces to shoot first, nor do I believe police and state troopers will fire the first shots. Non-violence will gain support, not lose it.

We will never again have the votes (and certainly not republican leaders with backbones) for a peaceful revolt. Wisconsin and Ohio show us that. Secession is the only way out.

63 posted on 01/20/2013 8:20:09 AM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: Founding Father

I don’t believe Zero will ever be able to convince the armed forces to shoot first,


All a marxist POTUS has to do to keep the military in line is threaten their retirement pay. Then they will do as ordered. Don’t count on anybody who gets a fedgov check being on the side of liberty when the SHTF.


66 posted on 01/20/2013 10:27:00 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Founding Father
Secession is non-violent and forces the other side to shoot first.

I think you may be splitting hairs a little too finely. If we look to the CW, it really doesn't matter who fired first, the fact is that it still led to violence that still resonates across the country today.

An open revolt may be similar in nature. Suppose a group of armed people snuck their way into Capitol Hill and managed to take the Congress hostage as the first move in an open revolt. They didn't fire a shot, they just let the political elites and their security look down the wrong end of a handgun, rifle or shotgun and never fired a shot. When the cops and/or the military show up to force the issue to a peaceful conclusion, shots may or may not be exchanged.

But, that's just an isolated event that could (emphasis on "could") occur in one relatively tiny city in the vast United States. The revolt, itself, would have to encompass a larger area. So, suppose a coordinated effort took place in which similar episodes occurred in state legislatures across the country? Each of these events would be viewed as an isolated episode until sufficient communications occurred to make someone understands that these are coordinated attacks. Now, up to this point, no shots have been fired. When the shooting does start, whether it is the revolutionaries, themselves, or the state, federal or local LEOs, at the end of the day, does it really matter who fired first?

Today, America is more politically divided than at any time since the CW. Every topic of discussion ultimately falls along political lines, whether the people understand that or not. Polls strongly indicate that more Americans do not believe that America is headed in the right direction and, the more money the government confiscates, the greater the dissatisfaction.

Do I believe that the sentiments have reached a fever pitch and that SOME action is likely to occur is the foreseeable future? No. But, the foundations are being laid. More people are openly discussing rebellion or secession; something that was unheard of 6 years ago. More Republican governors are standing up to the federal government and pushing back against the garbage that zero and the Congress are pushing downhill. As the rhetoric rachets up and the actions taken by the individual states to oppose federal programs increase, the odds that SOMETHING will happen also increase.

Not today, and not tomorrow. But, it's out there. All it needs is a final straw; a last kick in the pants to make someone say, "enough is enough!". I believe that zero and the left are pushing America to that point. Given that this is technically zero's lame duck term, there's no telling what outrageous acts he has yet to perform. But, it's coming.

67 posted on 01/20/2013 12:31:02 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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