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GOP Senator Cruz: New Gun Control Proposals Are ‘Unconstitutional’ (Fox New Sunday Video at Link)
Mediaite ^ | 1:17 pm, January 6th, 2013 | Anjali Sareen

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:12:08 PM PST by Red Steel

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), a freshman Congressmen, appeared on Fox News Sunday and said he did not support most new gun control legislation because “it is unconstitutional.”

Cruz was discussing his belief that after the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, politicians used the opportunity to “try to exploit and push their political agenda of gun control.” Cruz said he would not back an assault weapons ban or a ban on high capacity magazines.

RELATED: Former Marine Responds To Sen. Feinstein’s Gun Proposal: ‘Unconstitutional Laws Aren’t Laws’

Asked if there was any new gun legislation he might be willing to approve, Cruz replied, “I don’t think the proposals being discussed now make sense.” Senator Dianne Feinstein, he said, is proposing a national gun owner registry, which he disagrees with. “I don’t think the federal government has any business having a list of law-abiding citizens who choose to exercise their right to keep and bear arms,” Cruz added.

However, he said he would support an improvement in the quality of the federal gun database. He also noted we need “common sense” measures like ensuring criminal conviction barriers and mental health barriers to gun ownership.

Watch the full clip below, via Fox News:


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: California; US: Connecticut; US: Illinois; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; connecticut; guncontrol; illinois; nocompromise; secondamendment; tedcruz; texas; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 01/06/2013 3:12:14 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Don’t worry,

John Roberts will surely put a stop to this.


2 posted on 01/06/2013 3:13:53 PM PST by digger48
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To: Red Steel

So what...if no one does anything to stop these facisti?


3 posted on 01/06/2013 3:24:08 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Red Steel

I hope he knows that is a meaningless statement.


4 posted on 01/06/2013 3:24:13 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Red Steel

Cruz is fresh outta the box. Wait till some of the old timers ‘splain to him howz it’s gonna be. He’ll come around.


5 posted on 01/06/2013 3:24:19 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Red Steel

The Democrats wants to throw up all these paper barriers and then crow how they have made people safe. I am reminded of a Texas senator who boasted about his measures to help teachers, but which had no positive effect at all. That is, to persuade us of his good intentions.


6 posted on 01/06/2013 3:25:53 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: upchuck

Yep, we need to start a pool on how long it will take before he falls in line with the rest of the traitors.

Frankly I trust NONE of them. Verify BEFORE trust is my motto.


7 posted on 01/06/2013 3:27:50 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
I hope he knows that is a meaningless statement.

You gotta start somewhere to set things right, but there's no denying that Cruz is facing a mighty headwind of leftists and status quo republicans.

8 posted on 01/06/2013 3:33:42 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Red Steel

The article says he doesn’t support “most” new firearm legislation. So, what does he support?


9 posted on 01/06/2013 3:35:36 PM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: upchuck

No he won’t.


10 posted on 01/06/2013 3:35:58 PM PST by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (I AM ANDREW BREITBART)
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To: Red Steel

There is no video at your link. Can it be viewed on another site?


11 posted on 01/06/2013 3:38:13 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Refresh the webpage and try again. That’s what I had to do.


12 posted on 01/06/2013 3:39:20 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

He says gun control measures are Unconstitutional. Why are you people berating him for doing the right thing?

Be skeptical, but give the guy credit.


13 posted on 01/06/2013 3:47:22 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: upchuck
Ted Cruz is not going to get bent over.

His parents left Cuba when they could, and I heard his father speak recently, about what is happening to the US.

Ted is not going to buy any bs from anybody.

14 posted on 01/06/2013 3:55:02 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: Red Steel

Still no worky


15 posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:43 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: wastedyears

“The article says he doesn’t support “most” new firearm legislation. So, what does he support?”

Not you...That’s for sure. As it sounds like you are getting snippy for his doing what is right.


16 posted on 01/06/2013 4:09:12 PM PST by Revel
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Red Steel.


17 posted on 01/06/2013 4:10:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Lad I don't know where ya been but I see you won first prize.)
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To: Red Steel

Seems to me that proposing legislation that is an infringement on our right to bear arms is not only unconstitutional but also a direct violation of the oath they took. Seems there should be legal remedy. Any attorneys have an opinion?


18 posted on 01/06/2013 4:11:04 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Red Steel

Ted Cruz is a Senator.


19 posted on 01/06/2013 4:11:45 PM PST by Richard from IL
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To: Red Steel

I look for “citizen nullification” of such laws.


20 posted on 01/06/2013 4:12:18 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Red_Devil 232

It worked again for me. You should get a large arrow in the video screen after the first click and then click it again and again if need be. It’s hard to start. You could also try another browser.

I think the Mediaite link may go to Fox News.

Fox owner Murdoch who doesn’t like ARs may have one of his henchman messing with the video clip. /sarc sort of...


21 posted on 01/06/2013 4:14:31 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Ted Cruz the most conservative and most articulate, and about the only one of the “new conservatives” you can believe when he says something. Get used to saying his name. One day he’ll be called President Ted Cruz.


22 posted on 01/06/2013 4:17:24 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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23 posted on 01/06/2013 4:20:17 PM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should wear GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS.)
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To: Red Steel

I use firefox. Refresh does not work even tough I have allowed all for the site. Oh well.


24 posted on 01/06/2013 4:22:40 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: oldtimer

“Ted is not going to buy any bs from anybody.”

If you are a fellow Texan, then you got to enjoy him standing up to the local Rino/Republican establishment and telling them to F -off. Unfortunately, in Washington he is one of a very small number. If the rest of the country had held up there end and there were about 20 - 30 Ted Cruz’s in the Senate, there would be some hell raised!


25 posted on 01/06/2013 4:22:45 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Red Steel

The Second Amendment Pledge

I pledge to uphold defend and comply with the Second Amendment to the bill of rights in our United States constitution. Abiding by the original intent of our founding fathers in recognizing the preexisting God given, inalienable right of we the people together and individually to acquire, keep and bear arms.

The advance of technology does not alter nor affect this right. Any action, edict, decree or demand by any entity which negatively impacts or infringes on our right to modern state of the art arms and magazines is a treasonous criminal act, an unjust and an “illegal” law – null and void.

It is my highest duty and honor to respond to such a despotic lawless act with peaceful civil disobedience, contempt, defiance and resolute hyperactive resistance.


26 posted on 01/06/2013 4:34:46 PM PST by DrNo ("Facts are stubborn things..." John Adams)
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To: NKP_Vet
One day he’ll be called President Ted Cruz.

*************

That will be an interesting proposition should he undertake it as he was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

27 posted on 01/06/2013 4:40:14 PM PST by deport
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To: Red Steel

The words of a politician are worth nothing. Cruz could turn on a dime, then turn again, and again.


28 posted on 01/06/2013 4:53:30 PM PST by lurk
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To: lurk

Will you at least give the man a chance before labeling him a RINO.


29 posted on 01/06/2013 5:06:19 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics or the government will keep guns out of your hands.)
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To: Red Steel
The new proposals are unconstitutional, but so are the existing ones, and the feds know it.

See U.S. v. Dalton (1991) (HTML) (EPUB) Some choice quotes:

 

Finally, the government argues that the Gun Control Act, of which section 922(o) is a part, should not be viewed as repealing the National Firearms Act, citing a provision of the Gun Control Act passed in 1968 to that effect. The court in Rock Island Armory rejected the same government argument, observing that "the 1968 Congress cannot bind the Congress of 1986, which decided to ban transfer and possession of machineguns. P.L. 99-308, 100 Stat. 453 (May 19, 1986). Further, a Congressional declaration in 1968 does not solve a constitutional problem which arose in 1986. The ban enacted in 1986 and the government's refusal to accept registrations and tax payments, simply left the registration requirements with no constitutional basis."

773 F. Supp. at 126 (footnote omitted).

The government is correct that a statute is repealed by implication only when that statute and a later statute are irreconcilable. See, e.g., Morton v. Mancari, 417 U.S. 533, 549-51 (1974). In our view, however, that is exactly the situation here. Sections 5861(d) and (e) punish the failure to register a machinegun at the same time that the government refuses to accept this required registration due to the ban imposed by section 922(o). As a result of section 922(o), compliance with section 5861 is impossible.

Accordingly, we vacate Dalton's conviction and reverse with instructions to dismiss the indictment. In so doing, we recognize that the illegal possession of a machinegun is a most serious matter. However, it is precisely because this conduct raises such grave concerns that the government must exercise its prosecuting responsibility with care. The decision to proceed under an inapplicable statute has resulted in a constitutionally infirm conviction.

VACATED AND REMANDED.

The above case relied on U.S. v. Rock Island Armory (1991) (HTML) (EPUB)

Since its passage in 1934, the registration, taxation, and other requirements of the National Firearms Act ("NFA") have been upheld by the courts under the power of Congress to raise revenue. (Footnote 5) However, 18 U.S.C. sec. 922(o), which became effective on May 19, 1986, prohibits possession of machineguns, and thereby repealed or rendered unconstitutional the portions of the National Firearms Act which provided for the raising of revenue from the making, possession, and transfer of machineguns made after such date. As the government conceded at oral argument, the United States refuses to register or accept tax payments for the making or transfer of machineguns made after 1986. (Footnote 6) Thus, sec. 922(o), as applied to machineguns made after May 19, 1986, left the registration and other requirements of the National Firearms Act without any constitutional basis.

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The National Firearms Act was originally passed as a taxing statute under the authority of Nigro v. United States, 276 U.S. 332, 48 S.Ct. 388, 72 L.Ed. 600 (1928). See National Firearms Act: Hearings Before the Committee on Ways and Means, supra, at 101-02, 162. Upholding the Harrison Anti-Narcotic Act, Nigro noted:

"In interpreting the act, we must assume that it is a taxing measure, for otherwise it would be no law at all. If it is a mere act for the purpose of regulating and restraining the purchase of the opiate and other drugs, it is beyond the power of Congress and must be regarded as invalid ....

 

276 U.S. at 341, 48 S.Ct. at 390. The Court added:
Congress by merely calling an act a taxing act cannot make it a legitimate exercise of taxing power under sec. 8 of article I of the Federal Constitution, if in fact the words of the act show clearly its real purpose is otherwise." Id. at 353, 48 S.Ct. at 394.

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The prosecution argues that the NFA is still a tax act because criminal violators only will be assessed the "tax." Response to Defendant's Motion to Dismiss the Indictment at 6. This begs the question, because the government refuses to register the making or transfer of a post-1986 machinegun on behalf of an applicant who is not being prosecuted, and will not register any firearm even when it imposes a tax assessment. Thus, the registration requirement - which the government interprets as repealed by sec. 922(o) is still left without any tax nexus.

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In its motion to reconsider, the prosecution reiterates that the government can tax an item or activity which is illegal. Yet the very framing of this proposition presupposes that the activity can and will be taxed. By contrast, in the case at bar, the government interprets 18 U.S.C. sec. 922(o) to prevent the registration and taxation of post-1986 machineguns made for private purposes under the National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. sec. 5801 et seq.

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The enactment of 18 U.S.C. sec. 922(o) in 1986 removed the constitutional legitimacy of registration as an aid to tax collection. This is because the government interprets and enforces sec. 922(o) to disallow registration, and refuses to collect the tax. Farmer v. Higgins, 907 F.2d 1041, 1042-44 (11th Cir.1990), cert. denied, - U.S. - , III S.Ct. 753, 112 L.Ed.2d 773 (1991). Thus, sec. 922(o) undercut the constitutional basis of registration which had been the rule since Sonzinsky.

Finally, the prosecution quotes an enactment passed in 1968 that the provisions of Title I of the Gun Control Act shall not modify or affect the National Firearms Act. (Footnote 15) However, the 1968 Congress cannot bind the Congress of 1986, which decided to ban transfer and possession of machineguns. P.L. 99-308, 100 Stat. 453 (May 19, 1986). (Footnote 16) Further, a Congressional declaration in 1968 does not solve a constitutional problem which arose in 1986. The ban enacted in 1986, and the government's refusal to accept registrations and tax payments, simply left the registration requirements with no constitutional basis. It is the duty of the judiciary to declare such laws unconstitutional. Marbury v. Madison, I Cranch. 137, 176-77, 2 L.Ed. 60 (1803).

In sum, since enactment of 18 U.S.C. sec. 922(o), the Secretary has refused to accept any tax payments to make or transfer a machinegun made after May 19, 1986, to approve any such making or transfer, or to register any such machinegun. As applied to machineguns made and possessed after May 19, 1986, the registration and other requirements of the National Firearms Act, Chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue Code, no longer serve any revenue purpose, and are impliedly repealed or are unconstitutional. Accordingly, Counts l(a) and (b), 2, and 3 of the superseding indictment are

DISMISSED.

 

Now, ask yourself this: Why is it, that almost noone has heard of either of the above cases, which essentially throw out the 1934, 1968, and 1986 victim disarmament acts? The government never appealed either of these cases, and they have been cited elsewhere and to the best of my knowledge are still good caselaw.

Why does the even the NRA ignore something as potentially earthshaking as this?

Does precident and caselaw only matter when said caselaw is adverse to the interests of freedom?

30 posted on 01/06/2013 5:11:32 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
It works. You may need another media player like QuickTime or VLC media player for instance.
31 posted on 01/06/2013 5:13:04 PM PST by Truth29
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To: zeugma

Mark your post for later read....


32 posted on 01/06/2013 5:22:42 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
...Cruz replied, “I don’t think the proposals being discussed now make sense.” Senator Dianne Feinstein, he said, is proposing a national gun owner registry, which he disagrees with. “I don’t think the federal government has any business having a list of law-abiding citizens who choose to exercise their right to keep and bear arms,” Cruz added.

However, he said he would support an improvement in the quality of the federal gun database.

Sounds like typical politician / RINO doublespeak! Cruz disagrees with a "national gun registry" but would support an improvement in the "quality of the federal gun database".

Huh? Does that make any sense to anyone? He's opposed to a gun registry but wants to make improvements to a gun database? What's the difference? Registry vs Database?

Hey Cruz, how 'bout you just pour yourself a heeping cup of "not this shit again" and just STFU. You're barely sworn in as senator and it sounds like you're already backpedaling furiously from your conservative/tea party support base.

33 posted on 01/06/2013 5:46:15 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup
Sounds like typical politician / RINO doublespeak! Cruz disagrees with a "national gun registry" but would support an improvement in the "quality of the federal gun database".

I believe his next words were referring to paying more attention to whackjobs and criminals in the federal database.

I'll see if I can find the transcript.

34 posted on 01/06/2013 5:50:57 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Your interpretation is correct, he was referring to more accuracy disqualifying the mentally ill and criminals.

I note that the NRA is an advocate for improving mental illness screening.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2012/12/to-stop-shootings,-americans-focus-on-police,-mental-health.aspx?s=mental&st=&ps=


35 posted on 01/06/2013 6:04:30 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: rcrngroup
Here is the pertinent part of the transcript from Fox News Sunday:

CRUZ: The reason we are discussing this is it the tragedy in Newtown. And every parent, my wife and I, we've got two girls aged 4 and aged 2 -- every parent was horrified at what happened there. To see 20 children, six adults senselessly murdered, it takes your breath away.

But within minutes, we saw politician running out and trying to exploit this tragedy, try to push their political agenda of gun control.

I do not support their gun control agenda for two reasons. Number one, it's unconstitutional.

ROBERTS: But is there that you would accept?

CRUZ: I don't think the proposals being discussed now makes sense. Look, are there things we can do? Sure. One of the things we can do is we could improve the quality of the federal database.

Right now, a lot of states, a lot of local jurisdiction are not reporting criminal conventions, not reporting mental health barriers to ownership. So, the federal database is not nearly as good as it should be. That would be a common sense improvement.

But that's not what is proposed. Senator Dianne Feinstein's bill would create a national gun registry. I don't think the federal government has any business of having a list of law-abiding citizens who choose to their right to keep and bear arms.

36 posted on 01/06/2013 6:08:55 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Here is the pertinent part of the transcript from Fox News Sunday:....

Thanks for your gracious response and quick follow-up!

Regards,
RcrnGroup

37 posted on 01/06/2013 6:14:48 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: unixfox
we need to start a pool on how long it will take before he falls in line with the rest of the traitors.

Whether Cruz knows it or not, he has already taken the first step as evidenced by his statement.

we need “common sense” measures like ensuring criminal conviction barriers and mental health barriers to gun ownership.

He is either uninformed of such barriers already in place or he is leaving the door open for so-called common sense measures with the socialist

38 posted on 01/06/2013 6:41:37 PM PST by suijuris
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To: Red Steel

They’re doing tons of things that are unconstitutional.

And no one is stopping them.


39 posted on 01/06/2013 7:34:57 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Red in Blue PA said: "Why are you people berating him for doing the right thing?"

I have heard nothing at all that would indicate that the shooter in Newtown would have been barred from buying guns or that his mother would have been barred from owning guns, even if the improvements suggested had already been made.

The anti-gunners are always after the next thing to pass, even when the next thing would not have solved the problem. The last thing to pass has never made any difference.

Without the federal FFL system, many of the infringements in Kalifornia would be hugely impractical to implement. These are all infringements and are simply another example of the courts ignoring the clear intent of the Constitution.

40 posted on 01/06/2013 7:53:03 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Red Steel
I'm puzzled by some people's notions of what the lifecycles of sociopaths or psychotics are.

We're talking here about denying a law-abiding person who is otherwise at liberty from exercising their right to keep and bear arms.

If such a person has not already been convicted of a felony, then what actions would justify denying them the right? The law now, I think, specifies that a person can be denied if they have ever been involuntarily committed.

The question that should be asked is, "What actions resulted in the commitment?".

If the actions would not have constituted a felony, then from whence comes the decision that the person will commit a felony in the future?

If the actions would have constituted a felony, then from whence comes the psychiatric decision to release them from commitment?

Treating psychiatry as if it is an exact science is a truly troubling concept.

I have personally expended thousands of dollars in extra expenses because of the liberal notion that society must take risks by returning felons or those who have been committed to freedom. Why am I the one to pay for managing these risks?

41 posted on 01/06/2013 8:06:32 PM PST by William Tell
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To: NKP_Vet

Idiot Mitchy McConnell skid let this guy do all the talking .
Excellent spokesman !
Excellent Pres material !


42 posted on 01/06/2013 8:14:13 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: deport

Bummer


43 posted on 01/06/2013 8:16:29 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: Red Steel

In another month or two, he’ll “realize” that gun control is a good thing.


44 posted on 01/06/2013 11:48:37 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: deport
he was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

But were his parents American citizens?? McLame was born outside the USA and the Senate gave him a thumbs up.
45 posted on 01/07/2013 7:46:02 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Here was my first thought when I read the headline: “That’s well and good to say that but what are you going to do when gun control passes?” For as long as I remember we’ve had senators say things just like what Cruz said. All the while we’ve watched our freedoms slip away and our culture go to pot. When they’re in the majority, it’s the same.

In my opinion, people who still think there’s a political solution are part of the problem. They’re lending credibility to a corrupt system which is designed to enslave us. If Ted Cruz was assigned the role of making it seem as if there’s dissension, he wouldn’t be doing anything different.

Somebody posted and article about Patrick Henry’s speech in Virginia in which he says “Give me liberty or give me death.” That speech is relevant to our times. We’ve voted, and voted, and voted, and the congressmen we’ve elected either lose, being a part of an irrelevant minority, or they cave.

This is big. The left’s plans for us are bad. There’s no one in DC the will to stop them (or to do anything that will actually work to stop them).

Someone fully intent on killing you, who stands to gain from your death, and has started the process, will not be reasoned with. You have to kill them first. DC is a clear and present danger to our liberty.


46 posted on 01/07/2013 7:53:13 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: William Tell
I'm already skeptical of Mr. Cruz. Perhaps, I'm a minority, but even criminal and mentally impaired persons should be able to own a gun and defend themselves.

Gov’t limiting a ‘right’ is a none starter. Perhaps we should ban criminals and others from free speech and other rights that we have. But more worrisome, is that Mr. Cruz starts off his decision that the Gov’t ‘should’ be able to deny gun ownership for a individual. So that's a Constitutional conservative these days? A federal background check, etc. No. Gov't always, and will abuse power.

47 posted on 01/07/2013 10:05:39 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Cheerio

But were his parents American citizens??

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I don’t know but I assume they were. His mother was from Delaware and his father was a Cuban Revolution immigrant in 1957. His parents were in Canada working in the petroleum sector, not sure what they were employed as at the time.

McCain’s father was station at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Panama Canal Zone when McCain was born, or that’s my understanding.


48 posted on 01/07/2013 10:52:25 AM PST by deport
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To: deport

Cruz was born in Canada to a nonmilitary U.S.-citizen mom and a dad who was not yet a U.S. citizen.


49 posted on 01/07/2013 11:04:54 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Theoria; Cheerio

Thanks Theoria, I did not know when his father became a US citizen so I looked it up and it was in 2005. Rafael Edward “Ted” Cruz was born in 1970. So we’d have the same situation as we have with Obama, a mother with US Citizenship and a father without at the time of birth.


50 posted on 01/07/2013 11:41:01 AM PST by deport
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