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Get Rid of the Republican Establishment, Once and for All
GOP USA ^ | 12/27/2012 | Matt Towery

Posted on 12/27/2012 1:20:29 PM PST by IbJensen

Here's a New Year's wish I would love to see come true. However it is defined or however many people are part of it, it is time to send the giant never-ending "GOP Establishment" made up of some professional politicians, some moneyed nouveaux riche who -- by virtue of their contributions and the faux friendships it buys with politicians -- consider themselves political landed gentry and the endless scam artist consultants they support packing.

As previously stated, I thought Mitt Romney to be a better candidate than did many observers. That said, the recent revelations in news articles that claim to chronicle the Romney campaign reinforce the idea that the "silk underwear" branch of the GOP just doesn't get it.

The emerging story of a candidate who really didn't want to run in the first place and consultants who never listened to pleas from his own family to humanize the man so that everyday people could "feel like he understands them" just makes conservatives and the GOP faithful sick. They once again spent their hard-earned money and endless time backing another Republican nominee who had no prayer of connecting with the average voter. Never mind that he was, at closer examination, a young man of privilege who outgrew his silver spoon to create his own hard-earned fortune, his case was never properly made.

And why is that? The answer is the current class of Republican "experts" and "consultants" who constantly blow into somewhere outside of their self-indulgent D.C. bubble and believe that they really do understand the "average American" in the 21st century. They do not.

Same for the well-entrenched elected officials, many of whom have gone from scrappy challengers of the status quo to fat and happy potentates. The so-called "experts" just sell any sort of snake oil a candidate or elected official and his loyal leeches will swallow. Hence, terrible focus-group-driven commercials, poor strategy in message and a "get out the vote" effort about as technologically advanced as the telegraph and with all the planning for contingencies as the Hurricane Katrina emergency efforts.

Until Republicans get rid of the inherent haughtiness of their operations, nothing will change. I've always described the GOP Establishment as a bunch who will hold a fundraiser, say, with an incumbent Republican president (don't hold your breath for that again anytime soon) or a nominee, or a governor's inauguration -- you name it -- with one unmentioned thing in mind: themselves. They inevitably make the event like one of those toys with endless boxes within boxes, each smaller than the one before it. That's how they do their big "fundraisers." There's the massive box, holding the masses -- where from the distance of a football field one might catch a fleeting glimpse or hear a bit of a speech or event.

From there on, the boxes get smaller and smaller -- and more elaborate. One huge amount gets you into a private reception; the next more expensive one warrants a 10 second photograph with the political star; then there's the price-busting one that gets you a 30 person private audience -- in which every dupe there fails to note that the leader of the free world or the top person in their state listens, speaks, leaves and likely forgets the whole thing five minutes later.

Oh, and then there is that last box. It's reserved for the same snooty creatures who have run everything in their subdivision of the GOP forever. They often are there because they helped take everyone else's money! But regardless, they are there, in the most private of rooms with the highest of public leaders, just hanging out. They are a small, cozy group -- the elite of the elite. Sort of like today's Republican Party -- a small, cozy group.

If I have to read one more story about some Republican official's great golf handicap or how much they all enjoy the private company of one another, I think I'll be sick.

Republicans need to retool their image and their mindset. Just shed all the king's trappings and some of the king's men. Keep the hardworking and in-touch ones, bring in fresh faces, understand the mindset of the next generation, but more than anything articulate what they stand for and, damn it, stand for it.

A little fire in the belly and purpose for being elected and holding office in the first place could at least start to get the GOP turned around before it really is too late.


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It is time to start supporting a NEW PARTY that treasures our Constitution, our Republic…and for us all to REBUILD AMERICA…if we don’t, if we attempt to “cleanse” the GOP…we will fail and so will America.

A NEW AMERICA…a NEW PARTY, “The Tea Party for America”…sounds great…Obama will groan along with the rotting corpse of the DemocRAT Socialist Party and the unrepentent Republicrat establishment!

1 posted on 12/27/2012 1:20:35 PM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Agreed. We need to rid ourselves of these varmints.


2 posted on 12/27/2012 1:24:42 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( Boehner, our Vichy Speaker)
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To: IbJensen

I’m all for dumping establishment Republicans and going all in for Tea Pary candidates such as Sarah Palin.


3 posted on 12/27/2012 1:31:15 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: IbJensen

I’m all for dumping establishment Republicans and going all in for Tea Party candidates such as Sarah Palin.


4 posted on 12/27/2012 1:31:36 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: IbJensen
8-)

5 posted on 12/27/2012 1:32:58 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bozo man can :-)
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To: IbJensen

What if everything we have been told is wrong including we need to vote GOP or we will lose?

Happy New Year


6 posted on 12/27/2012 1:33:07 PM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: IbJensen

From Boner’s cold, dead hands.


7 posted on 12/27/2012 1:35:22 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: IbJensen
It is time to start supporting a NEW PARTY that treasures our Constitution, our Republic…and for us all to REBUILD AMERICA…if we don’t, if we attempt to “cleanse” the GOP…we will fail and so will America.

Blah blah blah blah New Party blah blah hate the GOP-e blah blah blah.

We hear this virtually ever single election cycle and it isn't going to happen. Why do you need a new 3rd party anyway? There are LOTS of 3rd party's already out there just waiting for you to join and help them reach critical mass (which isn't going happen). You can join the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, all manner of independent party's, etc, etc.

There's ALWAYS an establishment in a political party. You can replace it with a group of people you like better, but then they become the establishment.

The only 3rd party's with the name Tea Party will be the fake ones the Democrats create to confuse people. Obama would not groan if Tea Party folks actually created a new party, he'd laugh at the stupidity of such a thing.

There isn't going to be a viable 3rd party in our 2 party system. It's happened only once in these couple hundred years and the new party simply became the 2nd leg of our two party system. You want change, you are going to have to do it from within the Republican party - and you are going to have to accept that a large portion of the party members are not very conservative and simply don't agree with a lot of us conservatives on FR.

8 posted on 12/27/2012 1:37:44 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: bray
What if everything we have been told is wrong including we need to vote GOP or we will lose?

You realize that hundreds of thousands of people vote 3rd party every election cycle - and they always lose. So it seems like a good bet that what you're being told about that is exactly right.

9 posted on 12/27/2012 1:41:17 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: OldNavyVet

I’m with you!


10 posted on 12/27/2012 1:51:13 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Longbow1969

Let’s revisit this about halfway through Bronco’s fifth year in office.

The Republicrats can’t even come up with a viable candidate who has fire and purpose. Those in Congress are so busy ‘reaching out’ to their opponents on the opposite side that they’re looking like they’re light in their loafers.

Bi-partisanship is impossible in any situation and especially now with a large chunk of the Democrats being members of the communist party. (Maxine Waters, et al)

This nation is sinking fast, but not to worry. It will be supplanted by a nation that will be pleasing to all our current enemies. It will be emasculated by the castrator-in-chief and his minions. Bagging the balls will be the Republicrats.

The only chance that a polite society will have will be to syphon off votes from the two ‘establishment’ parties in order to rule properly.


11 posted on 12/27/2012 1:51:56 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Longbow1969

I have reached the point where I would just as soon lose with a third party as lose with Republicans.

There is a difference?


12 posted on 12/27/2012 1:58:54 PM PST by Venturer
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To: IbJensen

I’m afraid there won’t be another Presidential election, much less one a conservative candidate can win. We are all Socialists now, involuntarily. I see only one way to overthrow this dictatorship, and it isn’t pretty.


13 posted on 12/27/2012 2:02:11 PM PST by manic4organic (It was nice knowing you, America.)
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To: IbJensen
This nation is sinking fast, but not to worry. It will be supplanted by a nation that will be pleasing to all our current enemies. It will be emasculated by the castrator-in-chief and his minions. Bagging the balls will be the Republicrats.

I don't disagree with you. Your not wrong, this country is in deep trouble. The problem is the public isn't with us. Once upon a time there was probably a silent majority of traditional right of center people that would react when pushed by the left (think Reagan Democrats), but there isn't anymore. The old generations are dead or dying off, the new ones (along with the Hispanic immigrants) are far more accepting of the secular, socialist vision that the left and their allies in the media/Hollywood are pushing on this nation. In fact, if anything, the typical non-voting "adult" these days is even MORE likely to approve of Obama and populist left politics.

We've lost, for now anyway. A new party isn't going to do us any good, it would only serve to further split the right of center population in this country. You can already join a whole bunch of existing 3rd party's, but what good will that do? I think what you really want is a revolutionary (perhaps secessionist/separatist) party - unfortunately there is just no appetite for that in this country. Not nearly enough to make any impact right now anyway.

14 posted on 12/27/2012 2:07:19 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
The republican party can sod off. I won't vote for their liberal offerings. If they run a conservative, I'll consider voting for the conservative. But the party can go pound sand.

It's about time for them to go the way of the Whigs.

/johnny

15 posted on 12/27/2012 2:09:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Longbow1969

Stuff it. your way just failed spectacularly with a lib heading up the GOP and emboldened that GOP to cave yet again. And why shouldn’t he? he has plenty of people who believe the same thing you do.

No reason for him to do what’s right when you make being wrong so consequence free. And that is EXACTLY what your excuses do.


16 posted on 12/27/2012 2:18:16 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Longbow1969; bray; IbJensen; Dr. Sivana; wintertime; EternalVigilance; Finny; RitaOK; Tau Food
Longbow1969:

You do realize that every four years, millions of utterly gullible voters sell their souls and blindly cast their votes for the RINO losers of the GOP Establishment. Apparently you are one of them.

Yet you hold out hope that principled conservatives will somehow return to vote for such despicable and worthless candidates as Bush (New World Order) the Elder, Dole (Tax Collector for the Welfare State), Mushball Weathervane McCain and that 2012 utterly unprincipled boob, serial liar and enthusiastic babykiller Romney.

That is all over now. I cannot tell you how liberating it was in 2012 to not vote for either major party candidate for the first time in a long adult life.

Unless and until the GOP comes around, dumps the GOP-E, and nominates a candidate worth voting for, I intend to repeat my non-support for the feckless, brainless, unprincipled $$$cans and their embarrassing POTUS candidates who reflect the corruption of the sorry likes of Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McConnell, etc.

As presently constituted, the Republican Party can go straight to hell where it belongs.

17 posted on 12/27/2012 2:18:24 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: Longbow1969

I agree with you.


18 posted on 12/27/2012 2:18:41 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The republican party can sod off. I won't vote for their liberal offerings. If they run a conservative, I'll consider voting for the conservative. But the party can go pound sand.

We hear this big talk every election cycle, no one cares. A few hundred thousands folks vote 3rd party or write in every election cycle and they have no effect on anything.

The sad truth is that the more conservatives give up on the GOP, the faster it will move to the new center. That's what political party's do - especially in a 2 party system like ours. The culture is moving left, and the more conservatives give up the more the Republican party will began to mirror the "conservatives" in Europe. The "middle" is shifting (especially on social issues). The GOP's next course of action will probably be to cede many of the social issues and focus more on fiscal/economic concerns.

19 posted on 12/27/2012 2:19:59 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Yes were in a lot of trouble now. When people don’t consider our country and will vote to line their pockets till it all breaks down....see California and Illinois..this republic may be over as we know it.

We will soon have 20 trillion in debt. If interest rates tick up to a modest 5% that a trillion a year....just in interest.


20 posted on 12/27/2012 2:20:45 PM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Longbow1969
Too bad. The brand is tainted. And the more I see people like you insisting I MUST support the GOP or lose, the more intransigent I become.

/johnny

21 posted on 12/27/2012 2:25:27 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: IbJensen

Kerry was in Vietnam and we're endorsing Romney.

22 posted on 12/27/2012 2:27:26 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BlackElk
I cannot tell you how liberating it was in 2012 to not vote for either major party candidate for the first time in a long adult life.

Meh, for every person who thinks they are accomplishing something by not voting for a candidate that can win, another usually realizes the folly of having done that in the past and goes back to casting a ballot that counts.

When you drop out of the system, no one cares. You impress no one, you prove nothing, you achieve zilch. The 2 major party's pursue, first and foremost, actual likely voters. The more conservatives that sit out, the less the GOP will care about their voice and the faster they will move to the new center (meaning further left). We've seen this play out elsewhere and it just allows the socialists to accelerate their ability to change the culture and the politics of this land.

23 posted on 12/27/2012 2:27:58 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Blackirish
When people don’t consider our country and will vote to line their pockets till it all breaks down....see California and Illinois

You are exactly correct. This is where we are now. Western civilization is selfish and dying. It's all about security from things instead of freedom to take chances and achieve. Our recent immigrants don't much care about this land (they aren't even told they should), they are simply here to pick the carcass clean and take whatever possible back home with them. The left took over our schools and taught a few generations now that we should feel guilty and ashamed of what we accomplished. The spirit that once fill this nation is flickering out. We are going the way of Europe.

Still, not voting, sitting out, wasting ballots on 3rd party's, etc, none of that does any good. We just have to fight the good fight, even if it means we go down with the ship. At least we stood up and made every logical, reasonable effort to save this country for future generations.

24 posted on 12/27/2012 2:35:30 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
You realize that hundreds of thousands of people vote 3rd party every election cycle - and they always lose

As do those, voting Republican.

To Democrats, their drive for dominance and total control of the populace and the wealth it generates is a religious calling and they pursue it with brutal force if necessary.

To Republicans, the quest is not so much for power as it is for riches which can buy the power and they have no core conviction. Try an experiment and ask any given number of Republicans what they stand for and you'll get equal number of different answers and then people wonder why the 'Pubs don't connect. Those political mobsters have no soul, they have no core and believe that election to a political office is a green light to loot the public coffers.

25 posted on 12/27/2012 2:35:31 PM PST by varon ( I'll take the Mafia over the Feds anytime)
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To: Longbow1969
People aren't buying what you are selling.

The GOP can't win unless it moves right. Move right, you might get some support. Until then, you can forget about it.

Fear doesn't sell. If I voted GOP, I would be enabling those liberals and accelerating the move left.

No thanks.

The GOP keeps losing, don't they?

/johnny

26 posted on 12/27/2012 2:36:32 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: manic4organic
We said that with Clinton. It didn't happen.

Don't be afraid.

But be ready.

27 posted on 12/27/2012 2:39:15 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
And the more I see people like you insisting I MUST support the GOP or lose, the more intransigent I become.

Um, I don't care what you do. You're a big talker but if you don't participate in one of the two party's that can win elections, then politically you are simply irrelevant. No matter how much you scream and yell, when you don't cast a ballot that counts for something then your voice is not heard anyway. You're just hollering on message boards, but making no actual difference one way or the other.

28 posted on 12/27/2012 2:41:56 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Seems like it's the GOP headed to becoming irrelevant.

No matter how much you scream and yell, and try to sell your fear mongering, the GOP loses. Voters and elections. That's the reality on the ground.

/johnny

29 posted on 12/27/2012 2:47:21 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Fear doesn't sell.

Sure it does. The Democrats use fear to great success every election cycle with their various minority and victim groups. The Democrats do an amazing job convincing blacks, Hispanics, single women, etc, that the Republican party hates them and wants to ruin their lives.

If I voted GOP, I would be enabling those liberals and accelerating the move left.

When you don't participate in a party, it ignores you. It will move left faster without conservative voices to push for a different direction.

Refusing to vote for a Republican primary winner because they aren't conservative enough is generally just as bad as mushy moderates who refuse to vote for legitimate movement conservative primary victors because they are supposedly too conservative. Both are instances of people throwing temper tantrums because they didn't get their way.

30 posted on 12/27/2012 2:51:44 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Calling people irrelevant, accuse them of throwing temper tantrums... Great sales pitch you have going.

The GOP has certainly convinced me that they have no use for conservatives, so I'll just let them sleep in the bed they made for themselves.

You aren't making the sale. The GOP remains irrelevant since they can't put up conservative candidates and actively supress conservatives.

/johnny

31 posted on 12/27/2012 2:58:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: IbJensen

These establishment types intentionally left Sarah Palin and Ron Paul out of the mix and paid the price big time. There is nothing they can do to ‘fix’ the problem because they are the problem. I have had it with the GOP. Until they get a firebreathing conservative at the helm, they can kiss the party good-bye forever.


32 posted on 12/27/2012 2:59:26 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: Longbow1969
I'm done with the GOP-e....

I'm a professional and make a good living..and actually pay lot's in income taxes.

I've given money to past GOP candidates, ( Although never Dole, McCain or Romney..)...and will continue to do that when they meet my Conservative standards.

But the GOP-e can pound sand!

And go to hell!!

33 posted on 12/27/2012 3:03:26 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Longbow1969; IbJensen

“the more conservatives give up on the GOP”
It’s crazy.
We’re a few members away from controlling the House and everyone wants to give up!

Example: most of this session Boehner went around pressuring members to support Reid’s bills.
But on the ‘fiscal cliff’ deal he’ll be pressuring members NOT to support Reid’s bill.

Conservatives are taking the Party over. The RINOs are losing.


34 posted on 12/27/2012 3:05:41 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: AdaGray
These establishment types intentionally left Sarah Palin and Ron Paul out of the mix and paid the price big time. There is nothing they can do to ‘fix’ the problem because they are the problem. I have had it with the GOP. Until they get a firebreathing conservative at the helm, they can kiss the party good-bye forever.

There is one other thing they can do, go after and guard against voter fraud. Romney lost because of massive voter fraud and his subsequent ignorance afterwards to challenge it.

35 posted on 12/27/2012 3:07:21 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Longbow1969

Tell me Ross Perot was irrelevant.


36 posted on 12/27/2012 3:09:36 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
From Red Hampshire's Union Leader website today...

U.S. Rep. Charlie Bass, R-Peterborough, took a symbolic step this week by being the first Republican member of Congress from New England to sign on to an effort that would allow the federal government to recognize same-sex marriage.

Bass was defeated by democrat Ann Kuster in November; who also supports sodomite marriage...and they wonder why conservatives stayed home.

37 posted on 12/27/2012 3:09:36 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: mrsmith

Your post make’s little sense.


38 posted on 12/27/2012 3:12:28 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Osage Orange
Tell me Ross Perot was irrelevant.

Ross Perot accomplished pretty much nothing politically - other than to help Clinton get elected in 92'. So sure, 3rd party dunderheads can occasionally play spoiler.

39 posted on 12/27/2012 3:17:27 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: mrsmith

The 17th Amendment is going to make it difficult to take control of the Senate...best done in an ‘off year’ when people aren’t being driven to the polls by a presidential race.


40 posted on 12/27/2012 3:17:27 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Longbow1969
Spoiler? LOL! If the GOP had run a conservative, perhaps Perot wouldn't have had a chance to 'spoil' your liberal's election chances.

Now you add 'dunderhead' to your sales pitch. Typical GOP, double down and just can't stop digging and realize that you are losing votes with the liberal candidates, and your sad, sad sales pitch. Browbeating and namecalling doesn't make the sale. Presenting conservative candidates does.

/johnny

41 posted on 12/27/2012 3:26:58 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Longbow1969
Politically Ross Perot was very relevant.....and you can bet your ass, it's going to happen again.

I'm very tired of listening to GOP cheerleaders..pointing/looking to a new way.

Well, listen I've been hearing that for years and it's not happened yet...We continue to slide down the Socialist @%^* hole...with the GOP-E in charge.

I'm done. And I know ten's of folks like me....And I know they know more folks like me!

42 posted on 12/27/2012 3:35:29 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: who knows what evil?

I think the Senate and presidency are losers until after we have strong control of the House and can frame the national discussions.
Though an exceptionally good conservative politician may do well, in general the national media has it’s way in those elections now.
And, yes, that’s because of the 17th amendment.


43 posted on 12/27/2012 3:36:09 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Osage Orange
I'm very tired of listening to GOP cheerleaders..pointing/looking to a new way.

Amen. And every time, the GOP does the same thing, lean left and lose.

If I'm going to lose anyway, I'll lose with a conservative candidate from another party, instead of a liberal from the GOP.

/johnny

44 posted on 12/27/2012 4:02:53 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Osage Orange
Politically Ross Perot was very relevant.....and you can bet your ass, it's going to happen again.

So, let me get this straight. Your idea of politically "relevant" is being an electoral spoiler and making sure a Democrat gets elected? Oooookay. Politically that is about all Ross Perot ever managed to do.

I'm done. And I know ten's of folks like me....And I know they know more folks like me!

There's ALWAYS folks like you. That's my point. Other than perhaps playing spoiler, the 3rd party temper tantrums amount to nothing. Heck, in 1980 the "moderate" Republicans had themselves a "not going to take it anymore" moment and 5.7 million of them voted for RINO John Anderson. They made no difference at all - and that was nearly 6 million people!

We hear this EVERY election cycle. It's nothing new. It will amount to squat.

I understand your anger. It's well founded, but mostly misplaced. Is the GOP weak and poorly led? Sure, at the moment that is largely true. But the problem is much bigger than that. The problem is that demographics are changing rapidly and the public is shifting left (most especially on social issues). This change with the American public is magnifying our party's internal problems - but at heart the simple fact is the people aren't with us. Just shouting that we need to be more conservative isn't going to get it done. Lots of very conservative Tea Party Senate candidates who bucked the "establishment" in 2010 and 2012 got their butts kicked. In fact, our movement conservative and Tea Party folks are doing especially poorly at the statewide level. Boehner and the "establishment" (such that it exists) is only a small part of the problem we face going forward. Stomping your feet and refusing to participate if you don't get your way will accomplish precisely nothing.

45 posted on 12/27/2012 4:03:47 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Know this...Longbow. Don't waste your breath or your time...I'm done with the GOP-E. And I've voted for a long time....

You can rant and rave...I'm just an "ALWAY"S like folk....and just having a "temper" tandrum. But the bad thing for the GOP-E is...I've never FELT LIKE THIS BEFORE.

Take a bite of that and taste it. And I'm NOT alone.

46 posted on 12/27/2012 4:13:56 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Longbow1969

You keep promoting liberalism, even when your establishment proves over and over to be a disaster.

The republican gains of the last 18 years have been because of a surge of conservatives, from 1994, to 2012, the conservatives have been winning state races while the establishment keeps losing ground and costing us not only elections, but America.


47 posted on 12/27/2012 4:17:51 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: Osage Orange
Take a bite of that and taste it. And I'm NOT alone.

Like I said, every election cycle there are people that feel this way, and every cycle they make themselves irrelevant to the process. Refusing to participate doesn't help advance your agenda, it just makes you a cry baby.

Our ideology is losing out to a bunch of secular, socialist drivel that's doomed to fail (just as it always has) and it's infuriating. I get it, I'm depressed and disappointed as well. Personally, I think this nation is in for a world of hurt. But you know what, I'm not going to throw in the towel and have a temper tantrum. We live in a 2 party system and stomping off to vote for some dopey vanity 3rd party candidate isn't going to prove or solve anything.

48 posted on 12/27/2012 4:23:49 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: IbJensen

This was my suggestion the day after the election:

This post was written in anger and frustration.
Angry that we continue to follow the Republican Party’s elite ignorance. A party that continues to pull defeat from the jaws of victory characterized by pompous fools who fulfill the sterotype built by the left.
Frustrated that the reality of politics is this: There will be no third party capable of competing with the coalition constructed by the dems. As a result, true conservatives MUST take steps to eradicate the ignorance of the Republican Party while still adhering to the core values of our forefathers (beliefs that I discovered are considered extreme by over half of my countrymen on election night, BTW).
I have no solve for exactly how to accomplish this. Only advice based on a long military career in several foreign lands for how to defeat the dems once this is accomplished.
This thought process is based on the concept of irregular warfare with twists thrown in here and there for good measure.
With that, I provide the following advice for the good of the order.
LEADERSHIP: The old crew has proven either incompetent or outdated. McConnell and Boehner must go. They represent a failed plan to defend and resist without clearly explaining their position. They’ve shown they are content with looking like the bad guys and willing to face public scorn when they don’t realize how important it is to manipulate a clearly left leaning MSM. They represent the failure of the last four years to our own and obstructionists to the opposition.
We’ve got to show a new face to the nation. That is the genesis of rebuilding this movement. Ryan or Cantor in the House, Rubio, Sessions, or Demint in the Senate. Fresh leadership shows a clear change to the narrative that the MSM and the democrats have built against the RNC.
If the old guard go willingly and for the good of the country, so be it.
If not, then those I’ve mentioned must wrestle and negotiate and convince and do what it takes for these men to step down.
I’m not talking about the old guard leaving their seats. McConnell can die in place for all I care. I’m talking about the current leadership – who have proven to be a caving, dismal failure – to step aside and become followers to a new approach to this 21st century political fight.
To stand and fight, We MUST HAVE a standard bearer to show the face of the party to the country and rally ALL fragments of conservatism around.
I see no one on the horizon with as much rock star potential and substance as Rubio. These next four years must put him on the center stage with a unified and consolidated message. It also needs to protect him from the attacks from the left that are guaranteed to come.

Everything the Obamites used to deny, deflect, and defuse will be used against them....including the race card. THAT is what will make Rubio a teflon candidate. If you don’t buy this, I’m open to suggestion. Rubio’s ethnicity in and of itself builds credibility and identity with Hispanics across the nation and opens more of that demographic to the conservative message from jump.
The person is not the issue, the STANDARD BEARER IS.
Change is necessary at the head of the RNC as well. Prebius represents failure and “aw shucks” attitude. A new way to fight requires a true fighter. I don’t see that in him.
I read a headline a few weeks ago that said “100s of Retired Generals Throw Their Support Behind Romney”...It’s time for them to serve again, this time within the RNC.
These men can quickly and efficiently change the organization of a party that seems confused as to what the next step is and what to do now.
Pete Schoomaker, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and long time special operator (commanded a Delta Force Squadron during his career )would be a suggestion. He understands how to translate the concepts I’m talking about into a living, breathing organization prepared to execute this type of operation on a nation-wide scale.
These men represent a change in a party that has been beaten soundly in the last two elections by a charlatan and his traveling circus. A fresh choice in leadership represents change you can TRULY beleive in from every angle. It marks a clear start from inside and outside when we actually started taking this enemy seriously.
GROUND GAME: It is IMPERATIVE to develop and foster an intricate ground game. It requires a MICRO-ANALYSIS of every county, every city, and every early and absentee ballot by demographic to find how how, why, and with what method they voted. The dems have built quite the coalition but it’s a house of cards; it’s a fractured coalition of single issue voters held together by a media-invested hollyweird worshipping demagogue. They can be piecemealed away bit by bit without sacrificing principle.
Give it to the dems on their “community organizing” machine. We don’t need to reinvent that model. We MUST develop our own. One that will INSTILL our principles in a language tailored to the audience. They’ve tailored theirs on the community organizer, we can create ours around the military special operator. This is the winning of hearts and minds in our own third world backyard dem strongholds.
It isn’t as difficult as it sounds. It requires a patient and immediate effort that starts with the post election analysis looking not for what we WANT to find, but for the GROUND TRUTH. GROUND TRUTH is REAL INTELLIGENCE not Rovian number-crunching wishful thinking.
It will require an insurgent effort at the ground level. An infiltration into dem areas that we identify are weak or vulnerable to start cutting in to the blue.

The COIN (insurgeny/counterinsurgency)effort would include the identification of these areas, the infiltration of the areas through churches and charitable organizations AND PARTICULARLY THROUGH EDUCATION.
There ARE like thinkers in these communities. How do we find them? Ask Jesse L. Peterson. Ask JC Watts and Herman Cain. They KNOW how to splinter these vulnerable areas off the blue.
The hispanic issue is RIPE for moving into the red. Catholic, family oriented cultures who believe in being left alone and naturally distrust the government. And they voted Obama? This is the epitome of the single issue voter. the RNC needs to go toe to toe, issue to issue with La Raza, the Marxist mouthpiece in that community, and counter it with a conservative alternative, in that language, at THAT LEVEL.
Think it can’t be done? SOF has been doing it since the end of World War II. It CAN be done.
WE must get deep into the education system to promote the ideals and values of conservatism that should be selling themselves. I’m not talking about traditional public schools and universities. They are ROTTED with liberals. They also aren’t the keys to education in the 21st century.
I’m talking about the new way to educate - the online universities, the trade schools and night schools. Corporate allies need to invest and educate with the ideals of economic and fiscal conservatism.
The RNC needs to lead and develop this effort. A novice like me can see that there is a disconnect between the voting habits of catholic-dominated hispanics and pockets of baptist blacks and their actual stated values. That disconnect can be exploited if it is done slowly, deliberately, and effectively.
INFORMATION WARFARE: We are ATROCIOUS AT THIS. Dems get a simple message out early and often. They poison the well and we are left to change minds rather than get the initial impression right from jump. We constantly play defense and think we are sooooo clever when dems (as they ALWAYS do) do something stupid or illegal and shocked when the media all but ignores it. We must take the offensive in getting up in every Candy Crowley, every George Stepenopolis’ face and call them what they are: democratic hacks posing as the “objective media”.
WE’VE GOT TO STOP SMILING AND PRETENDING THESE IGNORANT DEM TALKING POINTS DON’T MATTER. THEY DO. Not to us but, for the ignorant who just go with the flow and believe the trash talk talking points the dems customize for the Nintendo generation.
We ABSOLUTELY MUST be proactive. We must attack and COUNTERATTACK at EVERY OPPORTUNITY then add each fail of the dems to a trend and theme. These themes must be simple, tailored, and repetitively broadcast to each target demographic.
We must look out beyond the 5 and 10 meter targets. We’ve got to effectively interpret what the dem message is on the horizon and confront it at all levels - from the national MSM level filtering directly down to the target group level. Even I can see what the talking points of the upcoming week are by watching the Sunday talking head programs. Defense is unacceptable. We can’t pretend that the most outrageous comment won’t gain traction then act surprised when weeks later, that theme picks up steam. ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK and don’t give the dems a minute’s relief to reset the media battlefield OR the political discourse.
We need to teach this en mass through RNC training programs down to the local level, national and regional teams of propogandists crafting the message and providing instant support to local leaders to advance that message and counter message. EVERY conservative and republican mouthpiece MUST BE SPEAKING IN UNISON.
Alinsky tactics must be turned against their masters. There is GREAT power in ridicule and scorn. They make it too easy to use. It needs to be culturally tailored and consistent. Dennis Miller needs his own show on FNC AND a late night show on Fox. Let him source and promote culturally diverse conservative comedians that vulnerable areas can relate to and remember. Bold Fresh tours aren’t enough.
This is only part of an overall information operation plan that is constant in a simple party message and what it means to each target group.
WE DON’T DO THAT WELL. WHY NOT?
I find it unbelievable that Obama has hijacked the reputation and imagery of the Party of Lincoln. This party represents the core values that ANY LIVING PERSON will relate to if they are challenged and messaged properly.
COIN operations involve a very in depth understanding of cultural idiosyncrasies and how best to exploit them to our advantage. It’s not a “wool-over-the-eyes” approach or a “free shit” approach like the dems sell. THAT ALWAYS COMES UP SHORT.
It’s a sell based on how it affects each target group and what it means to them. If it’s done right, I am CONFIDENT that the tenets of conservatism sell themselves.
In Civil Military Operations, assistance in areas that seem unrelated builds trust in the agency. Granted, there’s a fine line between assistance and the giving of free shit but, the special operations forces walk that line well. It can be done. Community outreach in areas that we identify, in ways that we haven’t before can build a larger tent without sacrificing our beliefs.
The military has been doing this in third world countries for years. We’ve been more successful in some areas, less successful in others. In the United States third world strongholds of the Democratic Party,I am confident that it can be done.
Here’s the kicker: There are countless retired special operations planners and operators working overseas as contractors RIGHT NOW. It’s too easy; the RNC needs to hire them as contractors over here.
This is, by far, not the only avenue we’ve got to pursue in order to turn the tide. We must confront and use the power of law, media, technology and the corporate world to form a UNITED MOVEMENT.
WE ARE AT WAR. the RNC must look to the military to rediscover and reorganize. The number-crunching beancounters have their place in the organization but, on their best days, they can only identify who will and won’t vote Republican.
This is a “Hearts and Minds” effort.
It requires a new way to think about the political battlefield.
Rangers Lead the Way.


49 posted on 12/27/2012 4:24:42 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: Longbow1969

Amazing, we are only weeks past your last disaster as you lost the presidency to Jimmy Carter the II, with your liberalism, and already you are fighting to make sure that the candidate four years from now will be another liberal.

The tea party is the best thing to happen to the GOP in years, leading to historic gains, and then you and Romney create yet another disastrous election and manage to pull out a loss that we all thought was impossible at one time.

Your agenda is a mystery, unless it consists of merely losing elections to the democrats, forever.


50 posted on 12/27/2012 4:27:37 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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