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Mentally Ill Kids Don't Just Come from Nowhere
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/mentally_ill_kids_dont_just_come_from_nowhere.html ^ | 12/21/2012 | M. Catherine Evans

Posted on 12/21/2012 5:42:08 PM PST by Sioux-san

The recent post "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" by a woman who posts at anarchistsoccermom and animatedly advertises herself wearing an "I love Che" t-shirt is as slick a piece of exploitative propaganda as anything we've seen in the last four years. Soon after the essay went viral mom blogger Liza Long appeared on CNN and the Today show calling for a national conversation on mental illness.

After the Newtown massacre the self-described author, musician, Classicist and single mother of four felt compelled to share her own story. Long's written account of life with an out of control child focuses solely on her son. She's brutally honest when it comes to his behavior but omits any mention of several other contributing factors for his dysfunction: family dynamics, Michael's early years, Dad's behavior before the divorce and afterwards, her own use or non-use of medications and why she would pump him with psychotropic drugs when the inexplicable cause of his violent outbursts confounded everyone...did this also include family counseling, spiritual guidance, an in-depth clinical look at Mom and Dad's behavior, or traumatic events passed from one generation to the next? If Ms. Long indeed fessed up to some family secrets why doesn't she address that in her poignant, gut wrenching depiction of Michael?

Is access to treatment the problem? During a December 19 press conference the President stated as much when he said, "We're going to need to work on making access to mental health care at least as easy as access to a gun." Media accounts of Klebold's, Harris', Hui Cho's, and Holmes' and Lanza's parents suggested they had more than enough financial resources to seek out the best treatment for their sons.

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Can parents of a mass murderer be compelled to reveal the dark secrets of their family life? There is the 5th Amendment protecting us from self-incrimination even though "Society" wants to know what created these monsters.
1 posted on 12/21/2012 5:42:18 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

Sometimes they do.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 5:44:03 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Sioux-san
Can parents of a mass murderer be compelled to reveal the dark secrets of their family life?

Sure, they CAN. You want visible marks or not?

Should they be? Not in this life, not with failure prone humans in charge. Not by the rules I live by.

/johnny

3 posted on 12/21/2012 5:48:14 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sioux-san

I don’t want to generalize or point fingers, but this woman appears to me to be a classic narcissistic mother, and having a narcissistic mother is a sure path to emotional problems and potentially lifelong mental health issues. It’s all about her.


4 posted on 12/21/2012 5:49:18 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Sioux-san

I think the schools are creating a lot of them by teaching subjective reality. From kindergarten a good many are being taught that the earth is dying and its all the fault of their parents. They’re being taught that grandma is greedily using up all the resources. Homosexuality is normal and heterosexuality is an oppressive imposed lifestyle. This kind of crap continues all the way into college.

Children who might be mildly neurotic but grow up to be otherwise fine are being put under enormous psychological stress through their formative years.


5 posted on 12/21/2012 5:57:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sioux-san

I am Joe Biden’s mother. Well......he called me a mother the other day.


6 posted on 12/21/2012 5:57:32 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

And you’d think I was an absolute floozy for all the people here on FR who call me mother.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 5:59:20 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Sioux-san

You know, back in the 50’s and 60’s, we had lots of guns in homes, and lots of teens with “issues”, yet I don’t recall seeing many accounts of massacres.


8 posted on 12/21/2012 6:00:00 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Sioux-san

I blame the absent father! Also..there is NO such thing as mental illness...it is demon possession and the devil loves hiding in falseness.


9 posted on 12/21/2012 6:02:10 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: PapaBear3625

Compare a teacher from the 60s and 60s to one from today and I think you’ll find a major source of problems.


10 posted on 12/21/2012 6:02:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: blueunicorn6

Lol.


11 posted on 12/21/2012 6:03:03 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: cripplecreek
I think the schools are creating a lot of them by teaching subjective reality.

About 40 years ago, the government forced God to be taken out of the classroom. They succeeded. Now there is no teaching of right and wrong, good and evil. Is it any surprise without a moral compass that some fraction of children turn into monsters.

12 posted on 12/21/2012 6:06:13 PM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Sioux-san

As long as we do this, attack the parents, they will stay in them shadows. I saw firsthand a nightmare. My childhood friend adopted a baby (Puerto Rican boy). After she had two natural sons. As the adopted son grew up, he TERRORIZED this family. This was a professional, intact family. She is a family counselor! they did everything they could do. By the time he was 16, they were living in fear of him, as he had grown big and was physocally abusive. Exhausted and at their wits end, they went before a judge and asked for them to TAKE the boy out of the home. Can you imagine how hard that was? the judge said NO and turned around and told the court that she must be a terrible mother. Both her other sons were honor students. So, until we stop blaming the parents and just take care of the situation no matter how the kid turns out the way he/she turns out, nothing will change.


13 posted on 12/21/2012 6:09:49 PM PST by Hildy (hen the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: Sioux-san

There’s a mix of nature and nurture in determining the behaviors of anyone.

For much of this century, psychiatry and psychology overwhelmingly focused on nurture. Parents were blamed for schizophrenic children.

It’s become abundantly clear in the last couple of decades that severe mental disorders like schizophrenia and autism are almost entirely nature and have NOTHING to do with how a parent raised a child (schizophrenia is genetic, and also possibly related to odd things like a disease acquired from cats. etc.)

That said, in terms of serial killers (remember to differentiate from mass killers), ALMOST all of them underwent severe abuse by a parent in childhood (the striking exception is Dahmer where no evidence has ever been uncovered of abuse, and Dahmer was torturing and killing animals at a very young age.)

A lot of people are very emotionally (or religiously) resistant to the idea that something like genes or a medical condition can determine your behavior. There are a shocking amount of people on FR who seem to literally not believe mental illness exists as a medical disease (but yet believe in things like demonic possession, despite this being the year 2012, not 1402, last time I checked.)


14 posted on 12/21/2012 6:28:38 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Sioux-san

She actually has an “I Love Che” shirt?. She admires a torturer and mass muderer and then wonders why her son is violent?


15 posted on 12/21/2012 6:28:55 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Sioux-san

For every psychological disorder of children, there is a blame-the-mother contingent, as with the author here. Those theories just don’t stand up to investigation. It’s usually the case, as it seems here, the dangerous child has normal siblings. It’s also the case that the frightening behavior is not unique to the dangerous child. We have to admit that we don’t know why a particular person commits mass murder, and many other similar people do not. No one has been able to predict it even in the short term of days ahead of time, and it certainly cannot be predicted from childhood years ahead of time.

Of course the scientific study is worth while, but it will not yield anything useful soon. Meanwhile the one thing we can do is protect whatever we treasure from the possibility of such and attack. We protect the president, his children, his officers, members of congress, governors, and mayors with little armies of armed guards. Celebrities do the same for themselves and their families. It’s a good idea for schoolchildren, too.


16 posted on 12/21/2012 6:30:45 PM PST by Marylander
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To: Sioux-san

Who knows if that was a legitimate post. I agree that mental health services need to be more accessible. If only Adam Lanza’s mom could have provided her son more mental health care...


17 posted on 12/21/2012 6:31:10 PM PST by sarah palin rocks
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To: Marylander

I agree. There is a reason why one of the Lanza sons landed a plum job at Ernst & Young while the other sadly went down a dark path. Mental illness was probably the deciding factor.


18 posted on 12/21/2012 6:36:10 PM PST by sarah palin rocks
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To: Hildy

I don’t think this was the point of the author. Sometimes the parents are to blame and sometimes they aren’t. To declare parents and parenting off limits doesn’t help anything. If your kid murders a bunch of people, you need to be part of the inquiry...if you survive...


19 posted on 12/21/2012 6:38:29 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

We had a case here in the summer of 2011 where a guy murdered an elderly neighbor and cut her head off.

He was estranged from his family because they couldn’t convince him to get help and the courts couldn’t force him. The family knew someone was going to die but were helpless to stop it.


20 posted on 12/21/2012 6:46:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sioux-san

The father, Peter Lanza, has shed no light on his son or ex-wife. Also, there is nothing about why Peter Lanza divorced mother, Nancy Lanza. But, the real problem I have about Peter Lanza is that he is no where to be found. He is in hiding.

There is something about this guy, Peter Lanza, that caused his son Adam to hate him.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 6:49:36 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Sioux-san

Having seen only the video, the author strongly suggests that uncovering the mother’s faults will likely enable a therapist to solve the child’s problems. We know that is an irresponsible claim, not grounded in science. In addition, blaming the parent gives the therapist (and the general public) a scapegoat when the therapy fails.

As written in another post on this thread, several conditions that for decades had been blamed on mothers, have since been scientifically established to be primarily, or wholly, and matter of genetic constitution.


22 posted on 12/21/2012 6:56:30 PM PST by Marylander
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To: jonrick46

Peter Lanza is a wealthy man. Peter Lanza’s attorney probably advised Peter Lanza to keep his mouth shut.


23 posted on 12/21/2012 6:57:52 PM PST by informavoracious (God help us.)
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To: Marylander

Someone on another post had a good idea. Have a gun or guns that are only accessible by school officials using a biometric safe. Once a safe is opened it automatically calls the cops.

My suggestion would be to have an entrapment area like they have in the secure facilities. You enter a sealed area then you have to produce ID. You can get the ID person but can do no further damage. Cameras are set up o the initial entrance and inside the entrapment area. Easy to implement and requires no use of armed guards. The doors are not made of glass.


24 posted on 12/21/2012 7:03:12 PM PST by USAF80
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To: cripplecreek
I think the schools are creating a lot of them by teaching subjective reality.

They teach children in the health classes how to "think critically," which is another term for having the power to think for themselves without involving any significant person like their parents and their pastors.

This type of education minimally effects most children, but some have real problems with it, like Adam Lanza.

The are set adrift in life without a life raft and without being able to swim.

It is a very sophisticated form of brainwashing that actually creates psychopaths.

25 posted on 12/21/2012 7:05:26 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Sioux-san

I’m probably going to take some heat for this - but I am compelled to tell the truth...

There is no mental disorder that CAUSES a human being to take the life of another. On the other hand, one thing can (and I will admit it is possible that mental disorders can leave a person more susceptible to it) - and that is evil. Evil in the form of demonic influence.

The governor of Connecticut said it in a somewhat veiled way when he said evil visited this community today.”

Yes, there are diagnosable, and measurable chemical and physiological issues that cause a myriad of irrational thinking, learning and behavioral complications, and even intellectual deficiencies. But those are a distinct issue in contrast to the evil that causes one human to slaughter another.


26 posted on 12/21/2012 7:12:11 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: TheBattman

I agree with you.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 7:18:13 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Slyfox

They might tell them to “think critically” but they aren’t teaching them true critical thinking because critical thinking would interfere in the fantasy world they’re trying to teach them.

When I was in school, critical thinking meant asking the obvious questions. For instance when they say the planet’s temperature is above normal, I immediately ask “What is normal and how do we arrive at that answer?”

They might call it critical thinking but what they’re actually doing is teaching anti thinking. At least 50% of what they do is contradiction. When they claim to be pro choice or liberal, we know they’re neither.


28 posted on 12/21/2012 7:21:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TheBattman
Evil in the form of demonic influence.

A paranoid schizophrenic that murders someone because voices in their head told them to, or because the see the person they murdered threatening them with an non-existent weapon, is hearing and seeing those things because of a measurable chemical or structural disruption in the brain, most likely caused due to an inherited gene.

There's no reason to appeal to a supernatural explanation for something when there's a clear science-based explanation for something.

We don't need to come up with theories about demonic possession to explain mental illness or "evil" actions resulting from mental illness any more than we need theories about an evil dragon eating the sun to explain eclipses.

29 posted on 12/21/2012 7:22:39 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Hildy
Correct. There is evil in the world. People who always blame the parents have never experienced it first hand.
30 posted on 12/21/2012 7:26:47 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: informavoracious

I agree. Peter Lanza is protecting himself from the lawsuits. I am sure there will be a feeding frenzy by the lawyers over this tragedy. Things happen when kids like Adam Lanza drop through the cracks.


31 posted on 12/21/2012 7:26:47 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

No kidding. Once your life has been touched by one, a destructive, narcissistic mother stands out clearly.


32 posted on 12/21/2012 7:30:12 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: fabian

Regarding the “absent father”, I too have questions about the vacancy. Your second sentence on “mental illness” is crazy...


33 posted on 12/21/2012 7:33:00 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Strategerist

Thank you. If mental illness were demonic possession, mere modern pharmaceuticals would be powerless to keep psychoses in check. On the other hand, there are people who do heinous deeds with mental clarity and full consent of the will. That is evil.


34 posted on 12/21/2012 8:11:29 PM PST by informavoracious (God help us.)
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“A lot of people are very emotionally (or religiously) resistant to the idea that something like genes or a medical condition can determine your behavior.”

I read today (NY Post article, I believe) where, in addition to the autism/Asperger’s problem, Adam Lanza had some kind of physical condition which prevented him from feeling pain (at least some types of pain).

I also recall that in high school, they kept an eye on him in the tech club because they were afraid he might burn himself with a soldering iron (and not be able to feel it). I also recall reading where his mother had problems with his trying to burn himself with a cigarette lighter (perhaps in a quest to find out “what a burn felt like”?).

It’s almost as if his nervous system wasn’t “internally wired” properly to the brain...


35 posted on 12/21/2012 8:17:01 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: wtc911; kabumpo; cripplecreek; sarah palin rocks; fabian; TheBattman; Marylander; PapaBear3625; ...

Holy Crike - I just found this timeline piece on the Sandyhook massacre - It looks like none of us have a clue what really happened.

http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Official-story-spins-out-of-control#


36 posted on 12/21/2012 8:22:42 PM PST by Sioux-san
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“Regarding the “absent father”, I too have questions about the vacancy.”

There really hasn’t been much revealed about Peter Lanza, but I recall reading that he had remarried to someone who worked at the same company (GE) in the position of the corporate librarian (if this is wrong, others please correct). Perhaps the breakup had as much to do with a budding office romance as it did with the younger son.

Although other reports mentioned that one of the reasons for the separation/divorce was due to disagreements about how to handle Adam. Perhaps the father saw the boy’s deterioration moreso than did the mother. Perhaps he had suggested commitment, vs. Nancy Lanza’s desire to protect the boy and keep him at home. Peter Lanza (and perhaps Ryan, also) knows, but as someone mentioned above, he’s probably been advised by his lawyers to keep quiet.

I’d be interested to know Peter Lanza’s attitudes towards guns and gun ownership, vis-a-vis those of his wife...


37 posted on 12/21/2012 8:29:12 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Road Glide

>> he’s probably been advised by his lawyers to keep quiet.

No doubt.


38 posted on 12/21/2012 8:37:49 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Hildy

I have heard some similar stories—some with adopted children from Russia or Romania. The very early neglect can breed a sociopath/psychopath. This is very sad, but I have seen enough to be terrified of adopting, a highly non-PC attitude.


39 posted on 12/21/2012 8:38:39 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Sioux-san
from the article:

"That's a shame. As a former group facilitator on the adolescent unit of an inpatient psychiatric/chemical dependency facility I witnessed many successes. In almost every case it was the parents willingness to open up about their own dysfunctional childhoods as well as their troubled children's that made the difference."


Bingo.

40 posted on 12/21/2012 8:46:05 PM PST by Albion Wilde (The only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun. --Daniel Greenfield)
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To: Sioux-san

When your father walks out on you and leaves you at the mercy of the woman he doesn’t have the guts to live with, you’re going to be a really angry kid.


41 posted on 12/21/2012 8:46:40 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Mamzelle

It isthe last taboo. Adopting kids from other cultures is oft times not successful. My friend’s husband ended up writing a book about it.


42 posted on 12/21/2012 8:48:11 PM PST by Hildy (hen the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: jonrick46

The divorce was all her idea. He was blindsided by her request, and did not want it. According to his attorney, Peter was distraught over it. He gave her MORE in support than required by law, just to be sure they were well taken care of, $240,000 per year. She also stipulated in the divorce that she was to have sole responsibility for making decisions (health, etc) for Adam. He had no say.

Perhaps Adam was angry at his mom for pushing his father out of his life.


43 posted on 12/21/2012 8:50:04 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: Road Glide

Peter Lanza’s new wife is a librarian, but has nothing to do with GE. She works at a university.


44 posted on 12/21/2012 8:54:12 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: cripplecreek

You’re right. They are taking their hope away from them. Everything is dangerous and bad. The folks you should love are greedy and destructive. The most basic of foods will kill you, etc. They promote neurosis with disaster talk and telling kids how bad their diets are even if they aren’t really. It’s craziness. The other day I listened to a conversation on disaster preparedness which sounded more like apocalypse preparedness. Enough to make anyone fret and lose their mind.


45 posted on 12/21/2012 9:00:28 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: RedWhiteBlue

Your information definitely paints a different picture. I have looked on the web for that information about Peter Lanza and have run through the same repetitive story; much of which is cut and pasted from each other.


46 posted on 12/21/2012 9:09:13 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Road Glide

Which came first chemical imbalance or unbalanced thought processes? I would guess either or, as one would lead to the other and vice versa. The way one thinks affects the physical as much as the physical affects the way one thinks. And out of all this comes behavior. Then there are the outside factors and all together this creates either mental health or mental illness.


47 posted on 12/21/2012 9:10:40 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: cripplecreek

“I think the schools are creating a lot of them by teaching subjective reality. From kindergarten a good many are being taught that the earth is dying and its all the fault of their parents. They’re being taught that grandma is greedily using up all the resources. Homosexuality is normal and heterosexuality is an oppressive imposed lifestyle. This kind of crap continues all the way into college.

Children who might be mildly neurotic but grow up to be otherwise fine are being put under enormous psychological stress through their formative years.”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This. Don’t forget the guilt & shame indoctrinated into those who were born Caucasian &/ or Christian.


48 posted on 12/21/2012 9:48:26 PM PST by KGeorge (- Proud member of "Nazis" for Newt /Sarcasm)
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To: Sioux-san

Wow. Infected with Black Helicopters . . .


49 posted on 12/21/2012 10:26:16 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: wtc911

Indeed.


50 posted on 12/21/2012 10:49:08 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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