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To: Carry_Okie

Well, I don’t know how to respond to anyone who so blithely throws around insults like “loudmouth” and “fool”.
Check my other posts and replies by and to “cripplecreek” on this same thread to get your other “questions” answered.
Especially the ones about double-dipping unions/police orgs, etc. This IS and should be also a local matter-—yes, the overarching danger is that, in the guise of “doing something”
about this , the Feds will try to take it over, and indeed make it something that can’t be touched or challenged even as it eats up more taxpayer money, and proves itself to be feckless and ineffective every step along the way as a “top-down” solution, all the while further solidifying the mystique of the necessity of public-sector unions.
In conjuring up the scenario of the unarmed principal risking his life to take down the perp you suggest that that is proof of your thesis—but that is what happened spontaneously in the context of NO security at the Ct. school-—it shouldn’t be necessary to put this burden on school staffs, whether they’re teachers, custodians, or administrators-—it’s not what they’re there for. As I think I pointed out, but you ignored, the list of problems with that is endless: do teachers walk around with holstered guns, or just keep them hidden somewhere in the classroom
(where they’ll undeniably get found by anyone with the will to created mayhem, or maybe what they think of a little “mischief”? ) Lethal weapons belong only in the hands of those trained to use them, but if teachers want to volunteer to be another line of defense against some further school massacre, more power to them—it’s not up to me to discourage that, or have anything to say about it. I just think it’ll be a big uphill battle
with their unions, school boards, or whoever makes policy for them/


81 posted on 12/21/2012 2:22:58 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: supremedoctrine
Well, I don’t know how to respond to anyone who so blithely throws around insults like “loudmouth” and “fool”.

It is insulting enough to have a demonstrably failed idea touted as a solution while being told that natural law-self defense as exemplified in the Second Amendment the WORST possible idea.

You still have not replied to said, "demonstrably failed" example in Columbine, where the very system you advocate failed completely.

As to your fear of the "Feds" you still miss the true danger: That the UN will mandate the implementation of police powers with which to hold the nation's children as collective property while denying access to their parents. Hence, a police officer on campus is, legally, a very bad idea, especially compared to any school representative or personnel deputized by a county sheriff. If you don't understand that distinction, I suggest some remedial education before posting.

In conjuring up the scenario of the unarmed principal risking his life to take down the perp you suggest that that is proof of your thesis

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the facts of the incident at Sandy Hook. That was a real world example, because is was exactly what the principal at Sandy Hook did. A woman too. Yet you didn't even recognize the example. See? That's how clueless you are.

—it shouldn’t be necessary to put this burden on school staffs, whether they’re teachers, custodians, or administrators-

It "shouldn't be necessary" to have to plan to defend the school at all. Unfortunately, that is reality. Try dealing in reality.

Teachers are every bit as deserving of the right to self-defense as anyone else. Are you suggesting that we deny them that Second Amendment unalienable right? On what grounds? Good grief, look at how many teachers are in schools full of gang bangers. The kids are the most likely threat they face!

—it’s not what they’re there for.

Good. Then they can quit and we'd all be better off after hiring their non-union replacements with combat experience. Frankly, given that veterans understand the stakes in life far better than most teachers, I'd bet they'd make better teachers to boot.

Lethal weapons belong only in the hands of those trained to use them,

Like police? Like military? How trained should they be oh wise advocate for a police state? Yes, I'll bet you'll be right there deciding who has trained sufficiently to be entrusted with the means to defend their own life. I'll bet you think you believe in liberty and unalienable rights too. Now at least you know why you deserved insults. Oh, and try learning how to format a readable post for once.

83 posted on 12/21/2012 3:15:27 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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