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To: neverdem

First off, Ritalin is not an antidepressant.

Secondly, it’s no surprise that people who are prescribed antidepressants kill themselves and at times others.

As a Family doc, what question do you ask of every patient that has a complaint of depression? It should be, “are you having thoughts of harming yourself or others?” WHY? Because people with depression often have suicidal/homocidal ideations. Right?

So, you prescribe the meds and roughly 3 things can happen. One, they take it and get better. Two, they take it and it’s not effective and you try another med. Or, three, and most likely, they take it for a short time and for various reasons become noncompliant with it followed by a return of the suicidal/homocidal ideations.

Both the Left who want to ban guns and the Right who want to blame meds are both wrong. Knee jerk reactions are dangerous secondary to their unintended consequences.

There are 330 MILLION people in this country. 330 MILLION! How often does this happen? Despite how God awful it is, it’s a low frequency event that will induce a great deal of ineffective action by the government, but to little avail because it’s relatively rare. There have been 61 mass shootings in the US since 1982. How many hundreds of millions of people have lived in this country over that period of time?


18 posted on 12/19/2012 8:47:30 PM PST by Jake8898
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To: Jake8898; Sivad
First off, Ritalin is not an antidepressant.

It's a psychoactive stimulant that has paradoxical effects in "hyperactive" kids. There was at least one example of someone getting it and a SSRI, if not more.

Secondly, it’s no surprise that people who are prescribed antidepressants kill themselves and at times others.

Are you a shrink, or are you just playing one? People with major depressive disorder might think of suicide, but they often barely do anything, they can become that lethargic. People with bipolar disorder often commit violence to others and themselves when they become manic. These SSRIs are often given out like candy by primary care docs who are oblivious about their adverse effects. Some people should never be given SSRIs. They start having serotonin syndrome within days after first getting one of these SSRIs. Other get serotonin syndrome shortly after an increase in the dose of the SSRI. This isn't just bizarre ideation. There are physical signs and symptoms. To top it off there's serotonin withdrawal syndrome that's about as bad.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

As a Family doc, what question do you ask of every patient that has a complaint of depression? It should be, “are you having thoughts of harming yourself or others?” WHY? Because people with depression often have suicidal/homocidal ideations. Right?

Wrong. First they don't come in complaining of being depressed unless that diagnosis was already made. If it wasn't made already they have other complaints, e.g. insomnia, loss of appetite, etc. If I suspected major depression, I'd question him about suicidal ideation. Why are they thinking about violence to others unless they have a motive, i.e. revenge. Those really depressed don't have the energy. I'd be worried about violence to others in schizophrenics who have become psychotic or bipolars who have become manic.

Both the Left who want to ban guns and the Right who want to blame meds are both wrong. Knee jerk reactions are dangerous secondary to their unintended consequences.

There are 330 MILLION people in this country. 330 MILLION! How often does this happen?

Go to the link for SSRI Stories in the original article. It has 4800+ stories that made the news. The FDA has an adverse drug reactions reporting system. Their tallies don't reflect under reporting especially when it could reflect malpractice. If you want to ignore the adverse effects of these drugs, I can't make you become aware.

22 posted on 12/19/2012 11:16:27 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Jake8898
I'm sorry but you're forgetting something.

Anti-depressants are not merely given to someone to because of "thoughts of suicide." They are given to people to make them feel and appear more "normal" -- to "fit in."

The rest of us live with homicidal maniacs whose intentions are masked.

24 posted on 12/20/2012 12:33:49 AM PST by GVnana
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To: Jake8898
These meds are given to people with mental disorders who are ALREADY suicidal/homocidal in many instances.. Maybe they don’t work that well in everyone, the symptoms continue and violence results.

All of them?

What about the 'welfare disability' group--the ones who are "sad all the time" so they get medicated, the Social Serpents get more "caseload", the baby momma gets a bigger check. I am aware of some of this, and the kids are a mess--and likely a write-off, unlikely to ever recover from the chemical changes made to their systems. (For instance, if you've been on Ritalin, the USMC wasn't interested in you, and that was a ticket out of the projects if you'd managed to keep your nose clean.)

Go to the SSRI stories link in the article, there are more instances of this sort of thing.

29 posted on 12/20/2012 1:51:00 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Jake8898; neverdem
Jake let me give you another example of it. About 18 years ago I developed what mental health calls General Anxiety Disorder. It was compounded by PTSD. I had some major big time bad stuff hit me in a few years time including the death of my first wife..

First attack I was on the interstate. I had no idea where I was, how I got there, how long, where I was going, etc. I had no meds in my bloodstream. In about 25 minutes time I wa somewhat OK. By the next day I was weak and noises were making me spasm in my upper torso like someone hit with a bucket of ice or cattle prod. No doctor had an answer. I was placed on Xanax 2 mg twice daily. For about two six hour periods a day I was functional. I know why it was because the Xanax last 6-8 hours.

They did MRI, CT Scans, EEG, you name it. Nothing showed up. In a months time the spasms {seizures I would later learn} nearly stopped. I returned to work. I went on a service call in the nursing home I worked in as a maintenance mechanic. I got to the residents apartment in thretirement center and an elderly woman was in the hall crying. I asked what's wrong. She said Oh the noise please make it stop. I said take me to the noise. It was her AC unit running normally. I turned it off and she was fine. I told the nurse and she said yea she just got out of the hospital today.

I went back to my shop and sat down. Someone behind the door yelled down the hall and I about went through the ceiling. Then it hit again. Where am I, what am I doing etc. Only this time I was not recovering. I called my wife and she could tell I was in bad shape. She called my dad to come and pick me up and I called in a relief maintenance man. That was my last day I could work again. I retired that night age 37.

I went to my doctor next day. I was sent to a Shrink. The Shrink then says I want to put you on an antidepressant. Being a trusting person figuring doctor know best I tried it. It was Paxil. Within about two weeks I was in the ER having a catheter put in because my bladder blocked. What did it Paxil. That causes a very serious and potentially condition called Dysreflexia usually only seen in spinal cord patients. Your body goes into shock then if not stopped Death.

After a week the catheter was taken out. Guess what the doctor wanted to do next? Different antidepressant. This went on for over a year. The Xanax worked but only half the time and when I took an antidepressant I became sick at my stomach and agiated. It made my condition worse. Any noises and quite a few visual stimulation's put me in seizure.

One day I did find a book. It was called Phobia Free by Harold Levinson. It was as if a huge puzzle was suddenly being pieced together. He was addressing Anxiety Disorders and it's links to Vestibular Damage & Cerebellar related issues. In short the portion of the brain involving sensory processing. I was born one eye functional. I always had poor coordination and was thought to have ADD ADHD as a kid. I was born in 1957 BTW.

I took that info to the Shrink. Shrink says no that can't do that you need more antidepressants. Finally I had taken all I was going too. I fired the shrink. This was about the fourth one. I found another Shrink and talked to him. He said I've seen it before and antidepressants can't treat it. He took my two twice a day doses of 2mg of Xanax and said he was cutting it too .5mg or half a MG four times a day. BINGO by golly RELIEF at last.

What I have has no name because I likely have several coexisting disorders. My sensory processing system is shot. No cure known. My seizures are Sensory Induced Myoclonic Seizures which Xanax helps to control. I have had as many as a dozen in a minutes time. No doctor told me this I researched it myself like I did the sensory processing disorders using my life long medical history. As a toddler and young kid I had inappropriate responses to sound and sight. IOW wrong response. If I saw a snake I stopped up my ears. Seventh & Eighth grade was spent in a Special ED school for physical and learning disabilities where they worked on my coordination. Up till about age 10 loud noises like fireworks or thunder put me in hysteria.

I know now because of my wifes experiences I was very close to having Serotonin Syndrome. I post about this usually to help others who have this and doctors can't give them answers. I know of about a dozen persons who have have it most were Freepers.

That is why I say again doctors need to look harder for root causes. Vestibular Disorders meaning Inner Ear related the secondary symptoms are ANXIETY. Thanks to Levinsons book I found needed answers. Mental Health experts for years dismissed his research. Vestibular researchers have proving many of his findings in the 1970's to be right.

Many disorders including the so called ADD ADHD epidemic are all too often other causes such as sensory processing disorders and Ritalin makes matter worse. The last thing needed is more sensory impulses. My case is an extreme of that spectrum. I am a 18 year user of Xanax. Many doctors especially mental health doc say you can't do that it won't work. Yes it does. The Shrink retired a decade ago or more. My Internal medicine Doctor writes the script and he understands my condition after I explained it too him . Today I am over 50% deaf and walk with a cane for fall prevention. Neverdem is making some valid points. Take it from this Freeper who used to flame those warning about antidepressants.

The events where I go into the where am I what am I doing stae I've learned over time to head it off either by playing my six string or if I'm out popping a Xanax under my tounge and letting it disolve. Stuff works fast that way LOL.

33 posted on 12/20/2012 3:38:43 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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