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Driver charged with DUI Marijuana after deadly crash in Vancouver
KPTV ^

Posted on 12/18/2012 7:27:17 AM PST by TigerClaws

The Vancouver Police Department arrested a man for Driving Under the Influence of Marijuana in connection with a deadly crash in Vancouver.

Investigators said the driver hit and killed a pedestrian around 5:50 p.m. on East Mill Plain Boulevard and Andresen Road.

Police say the victim, a male in his 50's, was believed to be walking back from Safeway and stepped out into the middle of traffic.

The driver, Scotty Rowles, was driving westbound on East Mill Plain Boulevard and could not stop his car in time, according to police.

Detectives says Rowles cooperated with the investigation, but after interviewing him they determined there was enough evidence to arrest him on suspicion of driving under the influence of marijuana.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; marijuana; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

if you’re DUI you should never be there.


51 posted on 12/18/2012 9:02:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

BWAAAAHAHAHA! Have a good one.


52 posted on 12/18/2012 9:04:12 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: Vigilanteman

Then why do they put out the peanuts in the shell ~ and sometimes popcorn ~ at the grit bars with the dirt floors? Hunh, tell me that!


53 posted on 12/18/2012 9:04:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: longtermmemmory
Since tokers are so incredibly intelligent they should be hit with 100X the usual fine for driving while using, and at least 50X for just being DUI.

Teach those smart tokers they ain't so smart.

54 posted on 12/18/2012 9:07:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: longtermmemmory
I am not for drugged or drunk driving.

But let the fact be facts more people are killed every year in non drug/drunk driving crashes every year.

Then in crashes that the drivers have some impairment.

55 posted on 12/18/2012 9:13:22 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: wolfman23601

The government would probably classify this single death as caused by alcohol, marijiuana, cell phones, tobacco, and junk food. The one factor that will not be blamed is the stupidity of the person who illegally stepped into the intersection. Of course, if the designated driver was legally carrying a concealed firearm at the time to the accident, then the government would declare this to be a firearm related death and the liberals and RINOs would use the death as an excuse for a ban on assault weapons.


56 posted on 12/18/2012 9:17:07 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: riverrunner

does not change the fact that nobody should be driving and using ANY amount of marajuana.


57 posted on 12/18/2012 9:39:41 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Teotwawki
Vancouver Washington. I used to live just off Mill Plain Blvd.

Then, it is worth pointing out that the voters of Washington State voted to legalize recreational pot in November -- about 6 weeks ago.

I'm trying to be polite here. I should have liked to say that the IDIOTS in Washington State voted....But, it is the Christmas season, so I shall restrain myself. After all, 'tis the season to teach the mentally ill how to shoot guns and to provide them with all the violent video stimulation that they should desire. What's a little pot? (sarc/off)

May Christ have Mercy on us all.

58 posted on 12/18/2012 9:39:50 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: muawiyah
If the pedestrian is in a marked pedestrian crosswalk and you run them down there are penalties beyond the dreams of avarice.

It goes further than that in CA. Any place a pedestrian chooses to cross a street becomes a crosswalk -- marked, or not. I noticed in my old home town last summer that they have constructed immpermeable fences down the median strips to prevent people from crossing in the middle of blocks.

59 posted on 12/18/2012 9:43:00 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The problem that I see is that cannabis stays in your system for a long time, while the effects of it are over in hours. So if you smoke a joint on Friday night, it’s still technically in your system on Monday, even though you are no longer feeling the effects of it.

This is unlike alcohol, where we have the technology to say to someone, “you are legally drunk!” by testing them and finding alcohol in your system.

One of the challenges for law enforcement would be to have a field kit that can test for “current” THC levels.


60 posted on 12/18/2012 10:04:26 AM PST by Ueriah
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To: muawiyah
For the same reason that All-You-Can=Eat Chinese Restaurants send people around keeping your drinks filled: the more you drink, the less you eat.

Except in the case of salty foods in bars, the more you eat, the thirstier your get and the more you drink.

Good business in either case.

61 posted on 12/18/2012 10:07:32 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: All

The postings here by the uneducated / ill informed are sad to read.

The effects pot has on your driving versus those of alcohol are at least a couple orders of magnitude less. Not to say smoking weed enhances your abilities, but it ain’t remotely as bad as booze.

“Arrested for driving while blind” under booze is not uncommon.


62 posted on 12/18/2012 10:24:08 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
they have constructed immpermeable fences down the median strips to prevent people from crossing in the middle of blocks.

Isn't that so California? Rather than change a stupid assed law to mark crosswalks and hand out jaywalking tickets elsewhere, they build barriers to force people to use crosswalks. Or so they think. California is populated by thousands of experienced barrier climbers. What's going to happen the first time one falls off into traffic?

63 posted on 12/18/2012 10:29:21 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: longtermmemmory
pot stays in the body for at least a month.

Stays stored in fatty tissue for as long as a month - stays attached to neuroreceptors for only a few hours.

64 posted on 12/18/2012 10:40:14 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: wolfman23601; TexasFreeper2009
so predictable. Liberals NEVER think through the consequences of their policies.

1. Driving Under the Influence was illegal before the marijuana law and is still illegal after the marijuana law.

2. There is no evidence from the article that the driver just recently started smoking marijuana when it became legal.

Facts are stupid things.

Personally, I am not sure what I think of legalizing marijuana. On one hand, I don’t see why an adult shouldn’t be able to use it responsibly in the privacy of his home. On the other hand, you don’t want children having easier access to it

Kids started reporting several years ago that they could get pot more easily than they could get cigarettes or beer. It appears that the most effective way to keep pot out of kids' hands is to legalize it for adults - so sellers have an incentive not to sell to kids (namely, the loss of their legal adult sales).

65 posted on 12/18/2012 10:49:27 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Labyrinthos
Who cares what the government thinks? The victims family don't.

Ya go after the deepest pockets, and or sue them all since nearly everyone had a percentage of fault. In fact, in the real world, look closely at the cops investigation, as they too might be liable for conducting an inadequate investigation where pertinent facts were omitted or not followed up etc.

66 posted on 12/18/2012 11:15:04 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Maybe it is because my parents smoked and drank, but I never had any problems getting cigs or alcohol. We had an unlocked liquor cabinet a open packs of cigs all over the house that I could tap into throughout high school. Pot was definitely more difficult to get. You had to have connections and seek it out, sometimes spending an entire evening doing so. Sure there were a good number of potheads, but it frankly wasn’t worth it to me as I really didn’t care for the substance enough (plus my parents saw it as no different than cocaine or heroin).


67 posted on 12/18/2012 11:17:25 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: longtermmemmory
Implied consent laws control. Also pot stays in the body for at least a month. Baked drivers are screwed. That’s a good thing.

All that would prove is that someone smoked within the last month. They don't have any evidence of driving under the influence. If this is so cut and dried, why aren't they doing this now? There's already baked drivers everywhere (just like there's drunks). The real risk are the people who take regular prescription drugs - just about all say don't drive if you're taking these things but everyone does anyway. That's a bad thing.

68 posted on 12/18/2012 12:02:13 PM PST by rhombus
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To: muawiyah

Why let tobacco smokers off so light. Somebody with a certain level of blood nicotine should be also get the same as other DUIs.


69 posted on 12/18/2012 2:11:34 PM PST by IDFbunny
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

tell it to the judge...


70 posted on 12/18/2012 2:21:05 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
pot stays in the body for at least a month.

Stays stored in fatty tissue for as long as a month - stays attached to neuroreceptors for only a few hours.

tell it to the judge...

I have truth; you claim to have force. The drug debate in a nutshell.

71 posted on 12/18/2012 2:25:53 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: IDFbunny

eggplant, potatoes, green tomatoes and cauliflower all contain nicotine. the effects on the body are not quite like those of MJ. that it’s addictive is irrelevant to the DUI issue.


72 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:03 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigerClaws

I think the best option is to pass a law that says if there’s THC in your system, then you’re driving drugged.

See how the liberals like that.


73 posted on 12/18/2012 3:11:38 PM PST by BobL (Did you know that the Chinese now buy close to twice as many new cars as Americans each year?)
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To: muawiyah

Since we’re all being Puritans we should list all intoxicants regardless of actual driving impairment. Automatic jail if you’ve got a nicotine buzz. I’m sure the natural sources of nicotine are so minute as to not reach an intoxicating level (likewise there are trace levels of alcohol and cannabinoids always present in the system). Let’s say not more than one cigarette two hours before driving and absolutely none while driving.


74 posted on 12/18/2012 4:17:42 PM PST by IDFbunny
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To: TigerClaws

Has this ever happened in a state where marijuana is illegal? I swear, sometimes the stupidity outshines the nonsense.


75 posted on 12/18/2012 4:31:37 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: svcw

Puff away.


76 posted on 12/18/2012 6:29:28 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

You comment has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said, so if you have a point please make it, I have cookies to make for a Christmas party.


77 posted on 12/18/2012 7:26:59 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Just make certain those ‘cookies’ aren’t laced with LSD.


78 posted on 12/19/2012 6:12:04 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

huh? Why would I put crushed mormons in my cookies.


79 posted on 12/19/2012 7:54:21 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

It’s Christmas.


80 posted on 12/19/2012 8:02:42 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

That is the line the officer tells the defendant just put under arrest.

It is enough to arrest the person.

The fact it is in your system and can be shown to be regularly in your system will be considered by the jury.

In the meantime the pothead will be offered a plea bargan vs a chance at a probable conviction from a jury of people who are on jury duty. (retired older people and people who do not want to get out of jury duty)


81 posted on 12/19/2012 11:32:06 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rhombus

Just because they are not caught driving while impaired does not mean they are not driving while impaired.


82 posted on 12/19/2012 11:51:42 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: IDFbunny

the law is regading driving “impaired”. If is not limited.


83 posted on 12/19/2012 11:54:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
pot stays in the body for at least a month.

Stays stored in fatty tissue for as long as a month - stays attached to neuroreceptors for only a few hours.

tell it to the judge...

I have truth; you claim to have force. The drug debate in a nutshell.

That is the line the officer tells the defendant just put under arrest.

The law has no proper interest in what is stored in fatty tissue inaccessible to neuroreceptors.

84 posted on 12/19/2012 12:11:10 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

it is admissible in court as evidence of usage.

so the accused has a history of consistent usage for the last 30 days. That history can be used against them.

Again, it is enough to support the arrest.
Again, it will be admitted into evidence for the jury to decide. The accused will have to have their lawyer defend the case and, if their state has a presumption of imairment clause in the law, rebut the presumption.

regardless, there is jail, bail, court expenses, attorney fees, etc...

the answer is really easy, use pot in ANY amount then don’t drive for thirty days after the last use. period.


85 posted on 12/19/2012 12:57:38 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
Not a single word of your post is in any way responsive to my point: The law has no proper interest in what is stored in fatty tissue inaccessible to neuroreceptors.
86 posted on 12/19/2012 1:27:41 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: longtermmemmory
Just because they are not caught driving while impaired does not mean they are not driving while impaired.

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Same goes for drunks and prescription drug users. What of it?

87 posted on 12/20/2012 4:32:54 AM PST by rhombus
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