[Lazamataz]

"The founders did all they could."

Yes, but to what end?

To the end permitted by our actions and the state of technology.

"They cannot make us use the tools."

Sounds eerily like Israel and the Torah, doesn't it?

While I wanted to believe 'this time would be different', it appears mankind is doomed to repeat the same mistakes, cyclically, in perpetuity.

[Carry_Okie]

To the end permitted by our actions and the state of technology.

With our most potent organizing technology being simultaneously ankle chains. Stalin was right about that rope.

While I wanted to believe 'this time would be different', it appears mankind is doomed to repeat the same mistakes, cyclically, in perpetuity.

LOL, if you read Genesis 1-2-4 very carefully, that is exactly what it implies. The key word is the Hebrew for "finishing" everything He had made. Check it out in a lexicon. It means to wipe out, as in "finishing" a glass of wine. The flood. The Sea of Suf. Two exiles. Revelation. Although what He had made was very good, not so with everything He created.