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To: Sherman Logan
I'd like to see a reference to millionaires who legally owned private property of that amount.

Legally owned? The USSR's nomenklatura lived quite well without benefit of legal title.

A joke going around about Leonid Brezhnev's mother, who was still alive when he rose to the top job, illustrates this confusion about communism and property:

Brezhnev's mother came to visit her son.

"This is my house," said Brezhnev, showing her around. "And this is my car. And that's my swimming pool. And this" — he shows her some photographs — "is my second house. And this is my airplane. And this is my villa on the Black Sea. And this is my yacht."

His mother gasps in wonder. "You do live well, Lyonechka," she says. "But I am nervous for you. What if the Bolsheviks come back?"

In fact, the Bolsheviks withered away as soon as their revolution succeeded. They were replaced by a totalitarian dictatorship which based its legitimacy on the myth of communism.

What was different in China was that the rulers figured out that communist central planning is not an effective way to organize an economy. They continued to call themselves communists, but in fact transitioned most of their economy to capitalism. In 1978, Deng Xiaoping invented "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics", which was actually market capitalism, with profit and loss and private enterprise. The reforms resulted in decades of 10 percent growth, transforming the country.

Optimists predicted the authoritarian regime would not withstand the changes brought about by such growth. However, the Party has proven to be quite adept at allowing economic freedom while brutally repressing whomever it feels threatened by.

88 posted on 12/11/2012 11:17:34 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

I agree 100%.

In fact, I think you could accurately say that Stalin and Mao owned their entire countries and everything and everyone in them.

Their successors never had that sort of absolute power, but they did quite well for themselves.

The Chicoms still call themselves communist, and they obviously still have some of the characteristics of that system, but it isn’t really logical to describe “actually market capitalism, with profit and loss and private enterprise” as being communist in any real sense of the word.

China’s history is at least 3000 years long. In all that time, they’ve never had anything even vaguely resembling what we call democracy, civil rights, secure private property or rule of law.

From that perspective, the present Chinese system has a lot more in common with the traditional Chinese approach than to the Communism of Stalin or Mao.


90 posted on 12/11/2012 11:42:38 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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