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After Meeting Bill Clinton, Father Of Asperger Child Wondered Whether Clinton Has Same Syndrome
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 12/04/2012 7:05:21 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Bill Clinton is famous for feeling others' pain. So he might be the last person one would suspect of having Asperger syndrome, which is characterized by a lack of demonstrated empathy. Yet that is precisely the thought that passed through the mind of Ron Fournier after meeting the former president with his son Tyler, who is diagnosed with the disorder.

Fournier told the surprising story on today's Morning Joe. A former Associated Press reporter, now with the National Journal, Fournier recounted how during the meeting, Clinton went off on a long monologue about Teddy Roosevelt, missing the clues that he had completely lost Tyler. Afterwards, said Fournier, he wrote in his notebook "is he an Aspie? Is B.C. an Aspie?"

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: asperbergers; autism; billclinton; morningjoe; ronfournier
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1 posted on 12/04/2012 7:05:33 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Surprising suggestion about Bill Clinton. Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 12/04/2012 7:06:24 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Surprising suggestion about Bill Clinton. Ping to Today show list.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 7:07:10 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
famous for feeling others' pain

A completely bogus image built up by the press. Rush use to show clips of Bill Clinton cursing out his aides but the MSM never showed them. He never felt anyone else's pain, he just groped until it hurt.

4 posted on 12/04/2012 7:08:28 AM PST by techcor
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Sometimes, a narcissistic a$$hole’s just a narcissistic a$$hole.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 7:09:52 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Beelzebubba

Bingo. Clinton is famous for being late to everything, giving long speeches, talking endlessly about himself. Also lying.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 7:11:58 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

When Bill Clinton was reelected in 1996, it was clear that the decadent, demented and dependent were in the ascendancy. Obama was inevitable. The clown parade will continue for a very long time.


7 posted on 12/04/2012 7:12:03 AM PST by allendale
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

access denied.

so I cant read the whole article.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 7:17:00 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Williams

Aspergers...

incapable of empathy,
unable to pick up on the social queues given by others,
conversations almost always revolving around self rather than others
...

yep, Bill Clinton exhibits some of that behavior.


9 posted on 12/04/2012 7:17:00 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Beelzebubba

Narcissistic a$$hole syndrome, or NAS. It’s going around.


10 posted on 12/04/2012 7:18:31 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Clinton is more of an assburger. Who can forget this classic moment of him faking grief after Ron Brown's funeral...


Video: Clinton fake cries at Ron Brown funeral

11 posted on 12/04/2012 7:21:56 AM PST by Texas Eagle (1)
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To: MrB

Aspergers...

incapable of empathy,
unable to pick up on the social queues given by others,
conversations almost always revolving around self rather than others
...

yep, Bill Clinton exhibits some of that behavior.


The current resident exhibits ALL of that behavior.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 7:22:29 AM PST by Ancesthntr (You liberal morons wanted Obama, now you get to deal with the consequences.)
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To: MrB

Noooo. Aspbergers folk do not as a rule, lie.

They see no reason to.

Narcissists are also :
incapable of empathy,
unable to pick up on the social queues given by others,
conversations almost always revolving around self rather than others

There is more to dx than picking up a few traits.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 7:23:31 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Hmm...

Access denied
You are not authorized to access this page.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 7:23:56 AM PST by Castigar
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

And if we’re all on the spectrum, really what is the point of the spectrum?

Fournier does for the record state that he realizes Clinton isn’t an ‘Aspie’.


15 posted on 12/04/2012 7:25:55 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Beelzebubba

Unless narcissist is another name for someone with Aspergers I don’t think BC fits.


16 posted on 12/04/2012 7:27:22 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Chickensoup

Hey, I didn’t say I was any expert, just doing some observing...

One observation on the social queues aspect of narcissism.

I’d say they were more “dismissive” of others’ social queues than they are unable to pick up on them.


17 posted on 12/04/2012 7:27:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Aspergers...

incapable of empathy,
unable to pick up on the social queues given by others,
conversations almost always revolving around self rather than others
...

yep, Bill Clinton exhibits some of that behavior.
****************

Clinton is very adept at picking up social queues, however. As you say, ‘some’ of those behaviors. An interesting theory though, and maybe the father is onto something. I hope he stays safe.


18 posted on 12/04/2012 7:29:39 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Not so "commanding", not so "inevitable".)
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To: Beelzebubba

Agree. Not Asperger’s, just narcissistic personality disorder! Symptoms of this disorder include:

Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
Taking advantage of others to reach their own goals
Exaggerating their own importance, achievements, and talents
Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
Becoming jealous easily
Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others
Being obsessed with oneself
Pursuing mainly selfish goals
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Becoming easily hurt and rejected
Setting goals that are unrealistic
Wanting “the best” of everything
Appearing unemotional


19 posted on 12/04/2012 7:30:43 AM PST by oldernittany
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To: Chickensoup
Narcissists are also :
incapable of empathy,
unable to pick up on the social queues given by others,
conversations almost always revolving around self rather than others

I think Bubba and Bambi are both sociopaths. Narcissism is only part of the problem.

20 posted on 12/04/2012 7:30:43 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

A few hundred years ago, the diagnosis would have been settled: demonic possession. Perhaps some differences of opionion as to specific demon.

I’m inclined to call him a high-functioning jerk, a garden variety phony.

(Just had to get that in now, because it’s not cool to speak ill of the dead.)


21 posted on 12/04/2012 7:32:33 AM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

DIRT-X-POTUS42 is a serial rapist.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 7:33:15 AM PST by twister881
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To: Beelzebubba

Clinton, narcissistic yes, Asperber’s.... only if he needs an axcuse and then he’ll claim what ever gets him off the hook!

No way Slick Willie is Aspi.


23 posted on 12/04/2012 7:33:56 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: MrB
As do many engineers.

When Aspergers became main stream, one old college friend from Iowa State joked “That describes most of the engineering and hard science people I know.”

24 posted on 12/04/2012 7:34:03 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I wasn’t going to mention it, but now that nearly every poster has repeated the error, I must point out that queue is a long line. The word that should be used here is cue.


25 posted on 12/04/2012 7:34:37 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: MrB

I’d say they were more “dismissive” of others’ social queues than they are unable to pick up on them.


I would say that we would be looking at the same thing from different vantage points. Entrenched narcissists would be unable to pick up social cues because it doesnt fit their agenda. The actually do not see them, in my expericenc.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 7:37:39 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The child becomes the man. Politics is where the money is. Crooks don’t try to steal from trees. They go to where the money is. If you rob a grocery store, you’ve got money for the week. You can try to rob a bank, but that’s mighty risky. You can get sent to jail and you won’t get enough money to live the rest of your life on. But politics? Ahhhhhhhh.....politics. There’s the big money. The Clinton’s were writing-off their dirty underwear when they came to Washington. Now, they have lots of money. The leaders of the Democrat party are just thieves......grifters.....con men.....pickpockets.


27 posted on 12/04/2012 7:39:50 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Thanqueue for that!


28 posted on 12/04/2012 7:39:50 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: redgolum

LOLOLOL! I am married to an engineer, the daughter in law to an engineer and mother of 2 engineers. You may have hit on the reason that you seldom find engineers in elected office. They are often not good politicians, or people persons.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 7:40:42 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Isn’t that common among sociopaths?


30 posted on 12/04/2012 7:41:24 AM PST by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: HomeAtLast

A few hundred years ago, the diagnosis would have been settled: demonic possession. Perhaps some differences of opionion as to specific demon.

No.. that is the case with his wife!


31 posted on 12/04/2012 7:42:13 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Fightin Whitey

Touche!


32 posted on 12/04/2012 7:42:47 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: oldernittany

Add sociopath to the litany, because the man feels not one ounce of shame or remorse for anything he has ever done, does, or will do. He has no conscience, but he can play the part of a caring and loving person to get what he wants and be done with it. He can also be cruel to the point of sadism. (”Better put some ice on that.) He enjoys his power over people. He doesn’t care who he hurts and hillary is as bad or worse...and so is obama.


33 posted on 12/04/2012 7:58:36 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

There is no Aspergers. It’s gone from the new DSM. The symptoms are now lumped under Autism Spectrum Disorder.


34 posted on 12/04/2012 7:59:24 AM PST by newzjunkey (grr)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

No, Clinton is just evil, not autistic.


35 posted on 12/04/2012 8:00:47 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Oh my, I’m granddaughter, daughter and mother of engineers, with grandchildren showing the traits. They might as well have been issued pocket protectors at birth. Such hyperfocus, such a narrow concept of logic, such cluelessness.... Lovable, though, if you have a sense of humor.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 8:26:54 AM PST by ntnychik
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To: MrB

As do all narcissists.


37 posted on 12/04/2012 8:27:52 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Beelzebubba

Exactly. IMO, all federal-level politicians have some mixture of narcissism and sociopathy. In Clinton’s case, I’d suspect a higher level of sociopathy in the mix. Whatever the combined percentages are, he is 100% a$$hole.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 8:33:00 AM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: oldernittany

*Symptoms of Sociopathy*
(I think Bubba is a sociopath)

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning

Grandiose Sense of Self

Pathological Lying

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt

Shallow Emotions

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation

Callousness/Lack of Empathy

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency

Irresponsibility/Unreliability

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility


39 posted on 12/04/2012 8:40:50 AM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: ntnychik

Yes. Grandson just admitted to two different colleges to study petroleum engineering. In my family, the engineers battle with the musicians for precedence.

Funny thing. Thomas Sowell wrote a book about 15 years ago on “Late Talking Children”, inspired by his own son’s difficulties. (That boy is now grown and studied computer engineering.) Sowell did a loose study amongst his readers. The incidence of children with musicians, mathemeticians, and engineers in their families who show signs of autism spectrum, Aspbergers, etc. is astonishing. I have one autistic and one Aspberger’s grandchild among my 12. So far one pre-engineer and one musician at the college level.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 8:41:18 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Beelzebubba
BJ definitely has ass-burger syndrome, and so does his partner in crime.


41 posted on 12/04/2012 8:44:20 AM PST by Reeses
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Bill Clinton is a cunning predator at a serial killer level.


42 posted on 12/04/2012 9:04:52 AM PST by mom.mom
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Clinton also has serious mental problems because of his cocaine use.


43 posted on 12/04/2012 9:05:33 AM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; All

No...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tro2U-cezqo


44 posted on 12/04/2012 9:09:13 AM PST by PGalt
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I, too, am married to an engineer, and I can see some of that. The husband has the heightened ability to focus and ignore everything but the task at hand. This is almost always great but, in some situations, I have found it irritating. Over the years, I have come to understand how deeply it is seated in who he is. He is a solid, decent man, extremely hard working, and an incredible problem solver.

His father was also an engineer but very much a charmer and very empathetic. My husband loves to chat people up the way his dad did, but it just does not come naturally to him the way it did to my FIL.

Yipes! Sorry for the highjack here.


45 posted on 12/04/2012 9:17:29 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Bigg Red

I can understand how a computer’s CPU works, but I don’t think I’ll ever figure out how a woman’s mind works. [/hijack]


46 posted on 12/04/2012 9:26:37 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If he does, it’s the least of his “disabilities”.

Defined broadly enough as a “continuum” illness, all but one person in the world has it. We should all get SSDI, I suppose.


47 posted on 12/04/2012 9:56:35 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: ntnychik; afraidfortherepublic
In college, and later in my career, I have taken a Myers/Briggs personality test.

Since I work with engineers, for engineers, we were all INTJ (or similar). What shocked me is that type is one of the rarest.

Engineers do run in families. I thought I was the first, till I started researching my family. Turns out we are known for three things. Farming, Chemistry (I'm a Chemical Engineer), and Law.

So love your little engineers. They are one of the most rare types of people out there.

48 posted on 12/04/2012 10:49:54 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Thanks for the tip on Sowell’s book.

We have a four and a half year old grandson with spina bifida, diagnosed two years ago as high-functioning on the autism spectrum. His mind is highly compartmentalized—songs he sings with me cannot be sung by his Mom, and vice versa. He will not allow anything from the fun part of his life to be present in the hospital when he’s had to undergo various surgeries and treatments for severe illnesses. No welcome visitors or toys. He endures his medical misery stoically.

At home and school, he’s happy and active, though physically limited. He speaks in hushed tones with only the people closest to him. He shows
abundant comprehension, but little in the way of speech, except an occasional burst of echolalia, out of context recitations of last night’s
commercials, characterized by, “Up next...”.

Among his favorite things are music, and the close inspection of things
and processes. He spent yesterday afternoon figuring out how to get from
being seated on the floor to climbing into a chair by himself, using mainly upper body strength. He succeeded!

We don’t know what his future holds. He’s currently in the autism class of a developmental preschool. We don’t know if he has regular school or special ed. in his near future. Your reply widened my thinking as to his possibilities. He truly is a jigsaw puzzle. He’s dearly loved and we’re honored to be along for the ride, trying to make sense of whatever pieces present themselves on any day.


49 posted on 12/04/2012 1:24:18 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
There's a lot on line about the differences between Asperger's/Autism and narcissism (a lot of it by Sam Vaknin, who some may remember).

Someone with Asperger's would have real trouble most of the time picking up on those emotional cues others provide. Narcissists sometimes have problems understanding other people's emotions, but sometimes pick up on those cues quite well. People with Asperger's are closed-off emotionally and hard to get to, and narcissists have an emotional neediness and hunger for admiration and control.

I'd say Clinton was a narcissist. The admiration that politicians get probably makes the narcissistic orientation that's already there a lot worse.

50 posted on 12/04/2012 1:47:10 PM PST by x
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