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Catalonia vote brings new test for struggling Spain
NBC News ^ | 11/25/2012

Posted on 11/25/2012 6:57:20 AM PST by SeekAndFind

BARCELONA, Spain - Voters in Spain's Catalonia region began voting Sunday in an election whose outcome is likely to test Spanish unity at a time of deep economic crisis.

Opinion polls show two-thirds of voters in this region on the French border will cast ballots for parties, both rightist and leftist, that want Catalan independence from Spain.

Catalan President Artur Mas will likely win re-election since his conservative Convergence and Union party is forecast to take a majority, some 62 to 64 seats, in the 135-seat regional assembly, or Parliament.

Frustration over high unemployment and a deep recession have fueled a separatist resurgence in Catalonia, where polls show that for the first time more than half of the people want to break away from Spain.

Many Catalans believe their economy would be more prosperous on its own, complaining that a high portion of their taxes go to the central government in Madrid.

Mas, who adopted the independence cause in September after a massive street demonstration, campaigned on a promise to hold a referendum on secession.

If he carries through with the pledge, it will put him on a collision course with Madrid, where Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy will use the constitution to block a referendum.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnews.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: basques; catalonia; europeanunion; nato; spain

1 posted on 11/25/2012 6:57:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

From CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/25/world/europe/spain-catalonia-elections/index.html

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Catalonia has its own flag and language, and various analysts say the economic crisis has brought long-simmering nationalist sentiment to the forefront.

Catalans complain of cultural repression and economic sleights by Madrid dating back centuries.

With just 16% of Spain’s population, Catalonia produces 19% of the nation’s wealth.

Catalonia argues that it sends far more in taxes to Madrid than it gets back in central government spending, and that Catalan taxes help support poorer Spanish regions.

The regions administer key public services such as health and education, and in Catalonia’s case, also the police and prisons.


2 posted on 11/25/2012 7:07:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
SPANISH FLAG:



FLAG OF CATALONIA ( REMINDS YOU OF THE FLAG OF ONE OF OUR STATES DOESN'T IT?)

3 posted on 11/25/2012 7:09:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Hope they are self sufficient as a country and can fight.(they may need both)


4 posted on 11/25/2012 7:12:36 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SeekAndFind

Puto Rico is not a state (and hopefully never will be).


5 posted on 11/25/2012 7:12:52 AM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Clemenza

Speaking of Puerto Rico, where are those Puerto Rican nationalists when we need them most???


6 posted on 11/25/2012 7:16:56 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Clemenza

RE: Puto Rico

Was that a typo? Or was it deliberate?


7 posted on 11/25/2012 7:17:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What a shame that people in this country aren’t so bold.

It’s time to derail the gravy train.


8 posted on 11/25/2012 7:21:22 AM PST by Cato in PA (May America reap the rotten fruit of the demon seed it's sown.)
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To: Cato in PA
CATALONIA:

Capital : Barcelona
Provinces: Barcelona, Girona, Lleida, Tarragona

Official languages: Catalan, Spanish, Aranese (Occitan)

Area
Total: 32,114 km2 (12,399 sq mi)
Area rank: 6th (6.3% of Spain)
9 posted on 11/25/2012 7:32:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

>> since his conservative Convergence and Union party is forecast to take a majority, some 62 to 64 seats, in the 135-seat regional assembly, or Parliament. <<

Math skills, NBC? A majority of 135 is at least 68.


10 posted on 11/25/2012 8:09:12 AM PST by dangus
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To: SeekAndFind

Looking at the Basques, I’m not optimistic.

It’ll probably end up as Catatonia.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 8:39:12 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: SeekAndFind

Take a wild guess...


12 posted on 11/25/2012 9:12:00 AM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: SeekAndFind
As of 6 pm, local time, 56.10% of eligible voters have already voted according to El Pais. It reads as if polls will be open until 9 pm, local time.
13 posted on 11/25/2012 9:38:53 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Mouton
Speaking of Puerto Rico....

That's what I was thinking. I think they are entitled to full autonomy.

14 posted on 11/25/2012 9:51:44 AM PST by outofstyle (Down All the Days)
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To: SeekAndFind
be warned of this, that Catalonia is also the most socialist of Spanish states

Catalan independence would also trigger off a wider o'eil movement -- since Catalan, Provence etc are transition languages between CAstilian (what we call Spanish) and French (which is the northern French dialect)

15 posted on 11/25/2012 10:42:19 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Clemenza

They probably will be. Maybe its better — this way they can pay taxes...


16 posted on 11/25/2012 10:43:09 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SeekAndFind
compare that to the Crown of Aragon in the middle ages


17 posted on 11/25/2012 10:45:19 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SeekAndFind

With about 10% of votes counted, they are projecting the CIU will lose at least 8 seats.


18 posted on 11/25/2012 12:14:48 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Cronos

Most Ricans dont earn enough income to pay income taxes at a significant level. It wont change with statehood. No more Third World nations in the US please.


19 posted on 11/25/2012 1:15:51 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Clemenza; All

You mean like those people in the Appalachia???


20 posted on 11/25/2012 3:17:13 PM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: KevinDavis
Nonwhite Spanish speaking people, the majority of whom receive the WIC card on the island, will only give us 8 Dems or RINOs at best.

Haven't we learned our lessons regarding the nonwhite, government-dependent vote? Do you realize that the median IQ on PR is 89? The level of PC on this site on matters of culture has been sickening as of late.

21 posted on 11/25/2012 3:40:43 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Clemenza
Puerto Ricans voted in favor of statehood in the last election. It's the first win for this question, so it may be closer than you think.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


22 posted on 11/25/2012 4:34:46 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Clemenza
well, as I understand it, from the Jones-Shafroth act of 1917, the Puerto Ricans are already US citizens and I believe they receive federal funds for federal programs (Medicare etc.)

They've been tied to the US since the Spanish-American war.

Yes, they would be mainly democrats, but I don't see how we could deny them statehood based on the acts etc. that have tied them to us for the past century

23 posted on 11/26/2012 12:35:27 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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