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Judge: Obama Admin Can Force Hobby Lobby to Obey HHS Mandate
Life News ^ | November 20, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 11/20/2012 1:12:51 PM PST by NYer

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To: Dapper 26

As a VietNam vet who had 5 dead Americans on the tailgate of my APC during TET 1968 while still in hostile contact with the enemy, I feel the same way.


Nam era Army vet , a little later than you so know the feeling.

I’m 3rd generation. Grandad, infantry Europe, Dad , Navy Medic, Normandy, Africa, Europe, WW II.

We went for a higher goal, and in the service of those before us....

Few of our later year politicians know , nor care , of the courage/sacrifices made by us,and the current service members, so the rest can act like fools, and worry about Obamaphones.....

Put them, where we were, and see how fast the ACLU, Jesse J, Al S, Harry Reid,
Nancy P, Barry O, and Plugs Biden come running to their aid.....

WE know the truth of Bengahzi, and the rejection of that most sacred code
that “ no one gets left behind”

Thanks for your service, and a salute to the brave souls you described....

They are not forgotten


81 posted on 11/20/2012 2:54:55 PM PST by patriotspride
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To: ksen
Savita's family thanks you for your support.

As usual, the non-liberal-agenda part of the article is way at the bottom.

Abortion is illegal in the Republic except where there is a real and substantial risk to the life, as distinct from the health, of the mother.

The doctors made a misdiagnosis of the woman's condition, as they sometimes do. They should be sued for malpractice as any doctor who makes a mistake that results in the patient's death should be.

Not to mention we don't let extremely rare cases define what our laws have to be for the entire country. If we did that, we'd have to legalize polygamy because of siamese twins who have two heads attached to one body. This woman's death is far outnumbered by the millions of unnecessary, unregulated killings of unborn babies performed in our country.

82 posted on 11/20/2012 2:55:29 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: NYer
Just decline to participate.

Go Galt.

Shutter it up.

83 posted on 11/20/2012 2:56:13 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: NYer

And the war ticks a little bit closer ...


84 posted on 11/20/2012 2:58:48 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: JediJones
Employees could afford their own policies if government intervention, control and regulation wasn't driving up the cost of health care so much.

Corporate profits are up 77.9% under President Obama, not to mention the trillions in cash they are sitting on, so I think businesses can afford to pay their employees more.

And which government regulations are you complaining about that is driving up health insurance costs so much?

85 posted on 11/20/2012 2:58:48 PM PST by ksen
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To: ksen

Actually, the JW’s (and any other employer) should have the liberty to offer any kind of insurance they think best. If the prospective emplopyee doesn’t like the compensation package, he can bargain for a better one (e.g. no insurance but a correspondingly bigger paycheck), or -— if that proves fruitless — seek a better employer.


86 posted on 11/20/2012 2:59:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: DonaldC
It wasn’t that long ago that people were defending white only businesses with the same argument.

There's not a thing wrong with white-only businesses. Or black-only businesses. Or hetero-only businesses.

Either we have a right to free association or we don't.

87 posted on 11/20/2012 3:00:33 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: NYer

Hobby Lobby should inform all of their employees the exact amount per month they pay for insurance. Then tell them they will be receiving pay raises equal to that amount but will no longer have insurance.


88 posted on 11/20/2012 3:01:25 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: ksen

Since when does an employer have the obligation to provide anyone with health insurance? My company does not offer health insurance and I don’t feel one tiny bit oppressed or victimized.

When did we all start to believe that we have a right to insurance coverage provided by an employer? We don’t have such a right.


89 posted on 11/20/2012 3:03:26 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

All the possible options -— lower hours below Obamacare thresholds, drop insurance and pay penalty, or choose to shut down -— represent huge burdens/penalties upon their workforce. I don’t blame Hobby Lobby for saying it’s wrong to coerce them this way, that they either have to violate their own ethical best-practices, or scr*w their employees.


90 posted on 11/20/2012 3:04:13 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
I am shrugging next year when I shut down 40 years of a family business that obama killed. I am John Galt. LLS

Applause mixed with sorrow, but I understand.

Godspeed.

91 posted on 11/20/2012 3:04:25 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: ksen
Is there no limit to your First Amendment rights when they start adversely affecting the lives of other people?

Stupid question in these days when (un)crowded movie theatres all have fire suppression.

In a word.........NO.

92 posted on 11/20/2012 3:07:27 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: NYer
Actually, he (Muslim or otherwise) is required by the government to provide its employees with free contraception and/or abortions, regardless of their religious principles.

Actually, the "right" people can get waivers.

93 posted on 11/20/2012 3:10:08 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: ksen
I think businesses can afford to pay their employees more.

Then ask your employer for a raise. Stop being a busybody and ignorantly intruding on your neighbor's life to find out if they're getting paid what you "think" they should be.

which government regulations are you complaining about that is driving up health insurance costs so much?

I notice you're not offering a denial of my statement, since you know it's true. Just take your pick out of Obamacare for starters. By requiring "children" be kept on their parents' plans until age 27, my costs go up to cover other people. By requiring birth control coverage, my costs go up to cover other people. Just look at any state and all the mandates they put on what health insurance must cover, stopping people from saving money on a more frugal plan. Or look at Medicare which underpays for services, forcing doctors to try to squeeze more money out of private insurance. Nevermind that not being able to sell insurance across state lines reduces competition and potential cost-savings there.

http://www.yorknewstimes.com/editorial/government-regulations-hurt-rarely-help/article_5ca26d02-0d19-11e2-9b8c-001a4bcf887a.html

A recent study by the non-partisan, non-profit Kaiser Family Foundation shows that since the passage of Obamacare, family health insurance premiums have risen by $2370 despite being promised they would drop by $2500. The study predicts costs will climb even higher because of cumbersome mandates and lack of consumer choices in the law.

94 posted on 11/20/2012 3:10:57 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
Since when does an employer have the obligation to provide anyone with health insurance? My company does not offer health insurance and I don’t feel one tiny bit oppressed or victimized.

Good for you.

When did we all start to believe that we have a right to insurance coverage provided by an employer? We don’t have such a right.

Employer provided health plans have been the norm for decades so that's the system we are dealing with. I never said employer provided health insurance was a right. In fact I believe I said in the post you responded to that if the employer doesn't provide health insurance he should at least pay his employees enough so they can purchase their own.

But I'm all for moving away from an employer/insurance model and for going directly to a single-payer system supported by tax revenues.

95 posted on 11/20/2012 3:11:35 PM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; JediJones
Nobody is "adversely affecting the lives of other people" by declining to pay for their contraceptives. $9 a month pays for standrd oral hormonal contraceptives. Or $4 for a dozen rubbers.

The purpose of this HHS mandate is not to pay for access to contraceptives, which could hardly be more accessible if they were put in every bag of M&M's in America. The purpose of the HHS mandate is to esablish that the State can trump First Amendment rights for any one, at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all.

96 posted on 11/20/2012 3:13:26 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: ksen; Mr. Doctor
"There goes religious freedom. "

Precisely.

97 posted on 11/20/2012 3:15:08 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Ingtar

“I wonder what would happen if Hobby Lobby decided to pursue liquidation over this.”

My girlfriend would have to drive another 20 miles to a competing chain for craft stuff.


98 posted on 11/20/2012 3:18:11 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ksen

Ksen: this program is structured to force (or, to use Cass Sundstein’s word, “Nudge”) everybody into a single-payer system, a.k.a. a NHS-style system as in the U.K., with liberty neither for the employer, the health provider, nor the health consumer. And that’s what you say you “hope” for?


99 posted on 11/20/2012 3:19:34 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: patriotspride

Thank you. This Benghazi fiasco is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. Watching 4 Americans murdered over a 7 hour live feed while sitting on their fat, lazy asses is treasonous and contrary to all patriotic inclination. I can find no good words for these lying SOBs. I ask myself again, as I did when I returned from Nam,”Is this country worth the good men who sacrificed for it?”


100 posted on 11/20/2012 3:19:48 PM PST by Dapper 26
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