They are NOW a part of the traditions of Christmas. But they all have versions that pre-date their inclusion in Christmas. Santa Claus was Odin, coming from the same NON-Christian source as the “Christmas” tree. There’s plenty of pagan deities born in barns. And wandering magi pre-date Christianity also. So again, just like I said before, these tradition are not FOUNDED in Christianity. That’s the important word in that sentence, nowhere have I denied this stuff is part of the Christian tradition, I’m pointing out they weren’t FOUNDED in the Christian tradition. Most of them don’t become part of Christian tradition until over a thousand years after Christ, and all of them were included in a non-Christian traditions before Christians grabbed them up. They were all FOUNDED outside Christianity.
Sorry, discostu, but your answer doesn’t fly. I clearly was referring to Hannukah and that Hannukah doesn’t account for things like Santa, mangers, and wise men.
Those are all out of the Christian tradition.
Are you now telling me that you don’t think St Nicholas, mangers, and wise men are from the Christian tradition?
That’s just bizarre. The manger and wise men are mentioned in the gospels. And St Nicholas and his story are from the Nicene era and then forward. Nicholas was AT the Council of Nicaea in the early 300’s AD. He even got in trouble with Constantine at the time for a smack-down on an anti-trinitarian.