Posted on 11/17/2012 12:24:28 PM PST by fwdude
The current GOP is finish as a Republican organization and unless reorganized will never be in power again.
yldstrk claims to be a lawyer in his profile. That may or may not be a condemnable character flaw, but it bears watching.
I'm trying to find out what danger we might face from "conservatives" who have no regard for the literal nature of the Scriptures, and who might think that the epitome of success in Christian child-rearing is sports and voting for the Republican candidate.
Christianity . . . BEING a Christian most certainly does entail obedience to the Scriptures in all areas of life.
her profile, yeah I am. As I said in a previous post, I deal in the flat truth. I can tell you this, being one of the few straightforward and honest ain’t easy.
Guess what John Lelend, are you on of those quiverfull types?
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Kids actually need love and patience a whole lot more than spankings. You sound like a crappy parent. Oh and no you don’t “do it in anger” you do it in cold deliberation? I don’t like you
I don’t want my kids to be afraid of me. You sound like a monster.
Well Romney might not have touched on those issues, but Akin and Mourdock sure did , with devastating results .
If the GOP and Tea Party don’t stop putting up candidates that blindly and idiotically march head-on right into Abortion/Rape questions, we can count on a permanent minority status .
These issues, among many others, most likely will not matter when Obama gets done stacking the SCOTUS .
Then perhaps you should let your husband administer corporal punishment, if you even have one.
I wouldn’t trust him to
why do you morons like hurting your flesh and blood?
Evidently, we didn't frighten our children too badly by obeying the Scriptures, as the five who have now grown and left our home have all gone, by conviction and calling, into full-time Christian service. College-trained without debt. They all understand and appreciate the work ethic. Two are still at home, and the sixth is looking at marrying a minister.
Yes, a monster, I am, who raised children to understand both Biblical law, grace, and Constitutional patriotism, without giving up their rolls as God-given.
All home-schooled, nurtured, trained, and disciplined, by the grace of God.
You have stated that children need love and patience. Yes, and deliberate, personal attention, and training . . . discipline is more than spanking.
AND when the rod is necessary, no parents should have to "look over their shoulders" and wonder how many professing conservatives have bitten off and swallowed the leftists' course, and would side with state agencies just because they have gotten some idea that Biblicist Christian parents use re-enforcement rod, ball bats, lead pipes, or 2X4s as "the rod."
Many so-called conservatives today, who claim that they believe in limited government would be gleeful to see a policeman standing behind a leftist-type social worker, taking children from Christian families, and putting them in foster care (now-a-days it could be with a pair of sodomites), because they heard a child crying, or heard through the neighborhood grape-vine that the rod had been administered on a child when it was necessary.
It is necessary on children from-time-to-time.
Ministers who preach the whole counsel of God are, according to their calling, duty-bound to teach the subject of child-rearing, with the inclusion of when and how to administer the rod. We have taken churches through courses in these things in four countries. We imagine that the U.N.O. Treaty on the Rights of the Child will be supported by many so-called conservatives in the USA, who will also support the closing down of churches and detention of pastors who teach the Bible in these regards.
I went to the liberal site you linked to, which, consistent with its opposition to Dobson and spanking, is “In Solidarity With Nontheists.” And while i like both dogs and kids and would never abuse either, and am reluctant to spank, and agree they need love and patience, yet i agree that when it comes to defiance, then spanking, and showing that there are more consequences to such than simply privations like grounding, are usually ultimately necessary.
And i agree that,
“By learning to yield to the loving authority… of his parents, a child learns to submit to other forms of authority which will confront him later in his life—his teachers, school principal, police, neighbors and employers.”
And spanking is Biblical, rightly done, regardless of the modern experimentation. But as Dobson has helped to explain, kids have different temperaments and not all need the same degree of discipline.
I was a strong-willed kid, and dad did spank me sometimes, not out of irritation or as a man with a temper, but out of principal, and i am the better because, not despite of it. (I could have used more affirmation, which Dobson emphasizes, but that was not part of my parent’s culture).
And i listed to Dobson for years, and saw him as a man of compassion with principles, who did indeed focus on the family, and wept at what hurt them. But he was also a man with some steel behind his tears, and who contended against pornographers and liberal establishment, and alerted and mobilized us to action. Focus on the Family is now mainly just a touchly-feely org that overall avoids taking a manifest stand since he left, and i believe they will thus continue to lose $ and supporters.
While not agreeing with all Dobson said or did (including his degree of ecumenicism) we need more Dobson’s, not the liberal ideology which sees spanking, military, sexual morality, etc. as unnecessary, as they imagine man is not prone to sin by nature, and operate out of a victim-entitlement menality.
No doubt the anti-authority site you linked to would oppose this “pro-God, pro-family, pro-liberty” conservative site as well.
And your charging those who affirm spanking as being parent who love to hurt their flesh and blood, and being control freaks, is a liberal or atheistic tactic, and marginalizes your credibility. But perhaps you agree with the angry atheistic screeds against God which charge Him with being the same (and who seem to have an axe to grind with a father who failed to be like God).
I think their plan was to try to focus like a laser on Obama’s economic failures. I think that plan suited Romney because many of his past statements on the social issues were very liberal. I don’t think that the GOP can win with a liberal nominee, ever. Trying to out-liberal the left is a recipe for disaster.
Here this will clarify things for you. You are in some sort of weird Christian something or other like orthodox Presbyterian or some such. I am a very Orthodox Catholic. We love our children and whaling away on them is not a plank of the true Catholic religion. Into the Catholic church have been recruited certain demonic sodomites which have done their level best to destroy the Church from within. But they can’t kill it, much as they try.
Leftist social workers I am very familiar with and as well their stupidity. Believe me though, having done that kind of legal work, the cases they are spending time on are not cases like yours, but cases of fathers videoing for sale pictures of their children, step-fathers and “boyfriends” pulverizing, burning, encapsulating in concrete the children of their girlfriends, etc. Meth parents who raise babies on needle laden floors where the only furniture in the house is a bed for the adults and cockroaches all over the mildewed refrigerator. Don’t excite yourself that they are overly concerned with you.
The people that check out whenever a child is crying? Guilty. I do, definitely. If some “dad” sees his child fall on the concrete and says “eff you” to the child, or some fat mama slaps her child because he is bored stiff following her around the walmart endlessly because she should have put him down for his nap, you darn well better believe I am going to give her some input. If some heathen with tattoos endlessly smacks her little boy in the airport, you better believe I am going to suggest to her friend she speak with her about a parenting class and getting control of her emotions. Your situation is weird to me, glad it worked out for ya.
you haven’t read the whole thread or you would have already seen that I freely admit I picked the wrong article and as other poster said I got a passle of beard stroking types. I have never been to that site before and picking that one was unfortunate.
However, my disdain of Dobson is long term and deep and I picked the first article that quoted his lunacy that I found. And all you types leaped on it like blood hounds. You make me tired. I don’t even know what a “nontheist” is nor do I care.
I can’t stand Dobson and his twisted views. My views are those of an orthodox pre Vatican 2 Catholic who also prays to Mary, St. Jude and a whole host of stuff that probably ticks you off. Serious Catholics don’t spend a whole lot of time listening to the priest talk about spanking the kids. We have better things to do.
They went up in smoke after Dobson and many others placed them on the altar of political expedience. Of course.
I’ve thought that sometimes he pushes it too far. There isn’t any one size fits all answer for modes of child discipline, and by saying you MUST strike or spank he is as wrong as one who says you MUST NEVER consider it. Sometimes it’s joked about fundies (and I consider myself theologically a fundie) that they will stop at a stop sign then wait for it to tell them to go.
hahaha
that stop sign is a good one, thanks, yeah dobson is a control freak like a lot of psychologists
Yeah, when your best tool is a hammer, funny how the whole world looks like nails. I believe the man sincerely means well, though. And I’d rather deal with his excesses than with the problems that libertines and libertinism brings.
So you are SSPX or a sedevacantist? In any case, even few traditional RCs would agree with you, while the most important thing is that Scripture does not:
“He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. “ (Proverbs 13:24)
“For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. “ (Hebrews 12:6)
No doubt as the head of a a single spouse household with superior wisdom, you can refuse to allow “rod” to ever refer to physical spanking, and can take God’s scourging to mean God also takes loves to hurt His own.
And by condemning Dobson as a lunatic narcissistic control freak, who teaches learning to yield to loving authority, and in so learning advocates principled spanking under certain conditions, coupled with explanations and prayer, and balanced by mercy, grace and affirmation, then you essentially charge God with the same, as this is Scriptural.
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