Posted on 11/14/2012 3:52:19 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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Hitting the sauce, again?
Are you? No answer to that question is required to be given to myself here, particularly since you yourself answer no other questions directly, yet keep coming back to pester others regarding this singular one question which you are unsure of.
Make no mistake, you still amuse me . . . but your schtick is getting tired.
faith alone...(he added the word alone and bragged on it)...Sola scriptura,,,,nonsense
I have no problem with that at all...but if you really believe in Jesus, then it would be nice if YOU FOLLOWED HIS INSTRUCTIONS...that would be Catholicism...about 1,600 years earlier that the protestant revolution!!!
Jesus’ supposed talk about the Roman Catholic Church quite conveniently got written down nowhere by any pre-Roman witness. The present day organization arrogates to itself self-referential statements from manuscripts that predate it.
The “protestant” revolution was the reappearance of Captain Obvious. The Word of God, those old manuscripts that were to a one all penned before there was a Roman Catholic Church, is sufficient.
This is a powerful thing, and by no means insignificant.
From scriptures you may be able to claim that the Roman Catholic Church is “a” Christian body. There are theological disputes even about this, even though most modern evangelicals will give obviously Christ worshiping members of the RCC the benefit of that doubt.
But NOT, that it is “THE” Christian body.
The RCC went off the rails; and we are the result of that.
Nice try with the Counter Reformation; but the veil had been lifted by then and your seeming lock on everything Christian was gone forever.
You are wasting your time trying to fight with us now, as we ain't that far apart in belief.
Practice - a bit more so, as you guys have lots of extraneous stuff dragging you down.
Try going after a source of REAL heresy: MORMONism.
There’s a fundamental stumbling block in the middle of the dispute still, and that’s the idea of “THE” Christian church versus “A” Christian church.
This is in theological theory; in practice there is a lot of comity exercised between individual Catholics and evangelicals who both have faith placed directly on Christ the Lord (even if they have other misplaced faiths alongside of that, which are not unforgivable sins).
The Mormon system is just plain wacked out, spiritually. It may actually be the fact that Mitt doesn’t really take it all that deeply to heart in spite of having a nominally high post in the organization, that is to credit that he is as sane as he is. Imagine having actually to believe that stuff. I’d sooner be able to believe Star Wars was real.
Yeah, I think repentance is in there too...ain-it.
That’s pretty much a description of something (and not everything) that saving faith DOES.
Elsie, Elsie, Elsie!
Read it in context.
Rudey is getting at the matter of, “WHAT damns me”? “Is it this? Is it that?”
It is a perfectly valid theological question!
Once one realizes logically (and not by being bullied into it) “yes, I’m mired in sin and need saved”... then, John 3:16 speaks. Not sooner!
That said, I'm no "lady". But quite literally an old salt, amongst other things. After the Navy spent about a quarter century commercial fishing. Seen and done things you may have never dreamed about. Got "lucky" and lived through it to tell the tale, more than once.
Where were you when that took place?
Now we're just playing ping-pong.
Naa, you quit 'cuz you kept getting your head handed to you. All you've got left is spit.
That the conversation here turned into a game, was your choice from the beginning, for it's doubtful you ever cared for the answer but for hope use it to justify your own disdain for a few others here.
666? then back to 3:16? an apropos verse here comes to mind, but nevermind for now, some other may come along and provide it. We'll see.
If we are supposed to laugh at numbers shouted out, I gotta tell ya'--- it's like that prison joke routine, it all in how you tell it. Ever heard that joke? [and yes, I already know what first will come to your squirming toad of mind for reply, but go ahead --- since that's all you've got]
Actually, I was judging from your own direct comments made some months ago, LIKE I SAID, but which you ignored, like I'm just talking to hear my head roar or something... if we are going to have a conversation, please pay attention.
The comments I am referring to which you made; first in a Smokey Backroom thread which JR finally locked down, then in a couple of Jewish proclamation type threads shortly thereafter, where amongst other things you trashed much of Christian belief, and made sure to fold in some real insult towards Christians, in general (except for the wishy-washy sort).
Otherwise, a short time after a pair or trio of those "Jewish" threads, within a few weeks, I also recall you sharing a "Jewish" teaching, telling us how marvelous it was (and it was!) and that such things were not taught in Christian churches.
But they are, for I do recall experiencing the same exact teaching myself, hearing it more than once, in decidedly Christian setting. I knew then, upon hearing you relate the teaching, holding it up as example of the superiority of Torah teaching, over "Christian" teaching, that you didn't have much depth of understanding in regards to in depth Christianity, which is why such made an impression upon me which took no effort to recall.
It may have been that the lesson from what you term Torah, was clear enough from careful reading of the assembled texts, to make itself apparent to the devoted scholar --- and/or possibly the same "spirit' led both the Jewish, and the Christian teachers, in regards to that one overall lesson. Whichever the case, it could have been traded word-for-word between them, best as memory does serve...
But nice try at deflection, blaming me for narrow-mindedness.
It remains, that if you do not recognize how the three passages cited can well enough be seen to not only answer the question (the answer found there would be "no", btw) but offer some condensed insight into what provides means of salvation also, (which is the opposite of damnation, is it not?) then you do not understand Christianity as well as your own pride tells you do. There may be a gentler way to say that --- but would it matter much if I had tried?
I cannot but be true to what I know of the conversation here, your comments made elsewhere and what can plainly be seen in the scriptures under discussion.
The comments I am referring to which you made; first in a Smokey Backroom thread which JR finally locked down, then in a couple of Jewish proclamation type threads shortly thereafter, where amongst other things you trashed much of Christian belief, and made sure to fold in some real insult towards Christians, in general (except for the wishy-washy sort).
***She was the one who campaigned to have the thread removed and when that didn’t happen, to have it locked. She was offended that the gospel was preached to her.
Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
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Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:59:19 PM · 2,223 of 2,390
Kevmo to sf4dubya
You got it half right. Jews believe he was a false messiah because he didn’t meet the requirements. We take the “no man shall come before me” stuff pretty seriously. When a Jew says he is the son of G-d, we kinda get puzzled because we believe we ALL are G-d’s children.
***He didn’t just claim to be the son of God, he claimed equality with God. He was God Himself. Even his enemies acknowledge the claim, and they put him to death for it. If he was NOT God Himself then he deserved his death sentence according to his crime of blasphemy. Ethelbert Stauffer points out that there were others in history who claimed to be Messiah and were not put to death.
And all of our stuff was sort of “canonized” before then, so he is not mentioned in our holy books. (Sounds like a familiar argument some use here against Mormonism.)
***And in your Canon there is Genesis 49:12, which states that the Messiah would come before Judah lost its own sovereignty (which happened when the Romans took over Jerusalem). If you want to watch a jew backtrack real fast on his own scriptures, see what he does with that one.
We don’t believe in hell or any of that either.
***News to me. I’ve met several jews who acknowledge hell. I see you’re starting to sidetrack into issues that the original poster did not even question.
Life is the most precious gift; enjoy it now instead of worrying about the hereafter.
***Now you’re contorting Judaism into what you want it to be. Your own scriptures do not support your viewpoint. But that’s a problem between you and God.
G-d doesn’t punish His children for all of eternity.
***You’re right, He punishes those who choose not to be His children. But even then, it’s probably not God doing such choosing, it is probably going to be those people loudly proclaiming that they want nothing to do with God for eternity.
No souls to save or any of that in the Reform/Conservative movements — we think of Christians as lost sheep that will return to the flock anyway.
***Whatever, it appears that most of your post immediately sidetracked into issues that the original poster didn’t even ask about.
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