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To: kabar

I’m in southern Arizona. I drive thru western Tucson regularly. I’m not blind to the problems in the Hispanic community - which in Tucson is mostly a Mexican immigrant community.

But I’m also not blind to values of hard work and family, both of which are also very evident. Those values can be used to TEACH conservatism.

Mexicans come from Mexican culture, and in Mexico, hard work alone won’t get you far because the rich WILL oppress you. At some level, they understand America has opportunity, but they don’t understand how much opportunity. We need to connect with them that education is an important part of getting ahead, and that they don’t need to settle for less because there aren’t any rich racists here to oppress them.

I’m not claiming this is a crop waiting to be harvested, and certainly not by pandering to illegal immigration and just putting a hispanic on the ticket. It means looking at what common ground we share, and then building on it.

But if you want to just ignore them, you’ll get your butt handed to you - like we did this time. And it will only get worse unless we do something. It won’t cut it to sit on our butts and moan that whites no longer dominate our country. Like it or not, we don’t - and never will again. Dreaming of 1950 isn’t going to make it better.


177 posted on 11/07/2012 12:26:36 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit.)
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To: Mr Rogers
But I’m also not blind to values of hard work and family, both of which are also very evident. Those values can be used to TEACH conservatism.

Are you denying the data about welfare use by both legal and illegal immigrants, particularly Mexicans? 71% of LEGAL Mexican immigrants are on at least one major welfare program. Can we also teach conservatism to blacks? We have been trying that for a very long time. It doesn't work because it goes against their perceived self-interest. The Dems are the party of free stuff and they will continue to attract minorities to their side. Each year we infuse those numbers by more than million new soon to be Democrats thru our legal immigration system.

25% of adult immigrants entering this country annually lack even a high school degree. We are importing hundreds of thousands of high school drop outs each year along with poverty that is draining our welfare programs.

But if you want to just ignore them, you’ll get your butt handed to you - like we did this time. And it will only get worse unless we do something. It won’t cut it to sit on our butts and moan that whites no longer dominate our country. Like it or not, we don’t - and never will again. Dreaming of 1950 isn’t going to make it better.

Why should we accept it as inevitable? We have control over our legal immigration programs in terms of numbers and the kinds of people we bring in? Why can't we reduce the number of legal immigrants that enter each year and go to a merit based system? Why can't we secure our borders and do a better job of tracking down and deporting visa overstays that make up 40% of the illegal population? Why can't we have an employment verification system that prevents illegal aliens from taking American jobs (8 million at last count)? Why can't we require a voter ID system that prevents voter fraud? Why can't we enforce our immigration laws, including against sanctuary states and localities?

You seem to believe that when rape is inevitable, we should just lean back and enjoy it. We can actually do something about it, but our politicians lack the courage to do something. Instead, now we must figure out a way to reach out to a growing segment of our population that the Federal government is helping to grow faster. States like AZ and AL are being sued by the federal government for enforcing immigration laws that mirror federal laws. You can expect far worse in Obama's second term. And like his backdoor amnesty that gives legal status and work permits for 1.8 million illegals up to the age of 30, you can bet that Obama will circumvent Congress and do whatever he wants on this issue.

179 posted on 11/07/2012 12:56:08 PM PST by kabar
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