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Fox Exclusive: Security officials on the ground in Libya challenge CIA account
Fox News ^ | Saturday, November 3, 2012 | Adam Housely w/Jennifer Griffin

Posted on 11/03/2012 5:54:44 AM PDT by kristinn

Despite a carefully narrated version of events rolled out late this week by the CIA claiming agents jumped into action as soon as they were notified of calls for help in Benghazi, security officials on the ground say calls for help went out considerably earlier -- and signs of an attack were mounting even before that.

The accounts, from foreign and American security officials in and around Benghazi at the time of the attack, indicate there was in fact a significant lag between when the threat started to show itself and help started to arrive.

According to the CIA, the first calls for assistance came at 9:40 p.m. local time from a senior State Department official at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, to the CIA annex about a mile away.

But according to multiple people on the ground that night, the Blue Mountain Security manager, who was in charge of the local force hired to guard the consulate perimeter, made calls on both two-way radios and cell phones to colleagues in Benghazi warning of problems at least an hour earlier. Those calls allegedly went to local security contractors who say that the CIA annex was also notified much earlier than 9:40 p.m. U.S. military intelligence also told Fox News that armed militia was gathering up to three hours before the attack began.

One source said the Blue Mountain Security chief seemed "distraught" and said "the situation here is very serious, we have a problem." He also said that even without these phone and radio calls, it was clear to everyone in the security community on the ground in Benghazi much earlier than 9:40 p.m. that fighters were gathering in preparation for an attack.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazi4; benghazidebacle; benghazigate; benghaziwitnesses; bluemountain; coverup; leftbehind; libya; obama; rememberbenghazi; threatmatrix; threatmatrixbenghazi
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To: maggief; MestaMachine; LucyT; penelopesire; Nachum

This Fox report is damning....

And the Administration’s response had about as much to do with “INCOMPETENCE” as Fast and Furious had to do with “BOTCHED.”

There was no incompetence involved. There were only deliberate actions and non-actions.
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http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/appt/2012/09/197186.htm

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
PUBLIC SCHEDULE
TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 11, 2012

SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

12:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, at the White House.
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It’s entirely possible they knew by the time of this meeting what was going on in Benghazi on 9/11.


51 posted on 11/03/2012 9:55:58 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Meant to ping to post and article.

Timeline moved back. Keyworded your previous thread and other related articles with the word benghaziwitnesses.

52 posted on 11/03/2012 10:12:37 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
They knew in advance ... anticipated it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443684104578066631931377740.html

At 4:20 p.m., State Department executive secretary Steve Mull alerted Mrs. Clinton in her office. According to a person present, (snip)

And she said: “Find Chris,” the U.S. ambassador. She had handpicked him for the posting.

53 posted on 11/03/2012 10:23:26 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Travis McGee; All
Direct link to your excellent PJM article.

Benghazi’s Smoking Gun? Only President Can Give ‘Cross-Border Authority’

BTW: Outstanding interview, Matt

Thread: Travis McGee will on radio about Benghazi at 3:35 PM eastern time [Nov 1, 2012].

All: Podcast link

54 posted on 11/03/2012 10:27:22 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: McGruff; Zack Attack

If the facts don't fit, you must convict.

55 posted on 11/03/2012 10:28:21 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Ann Archy

Hmm...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/world/africa/petraeuss-lower-profile-at-cia-leaves-void-in-benghazi-furor.html?pagewanted=all

Petraeus’s Quieter Style at C.I.A. Leaves Void on Libya Furor


56 posted on 11/03/2012 10:33:38 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Fox News must not allow this story to die, just as those four American citizens were betrayed to their death.

People need to be tried for treason, and people need to go to jail. This should be one of the first priorities of President Romney, and we must hold his feet to the fire until every single person who knew, did nothing, or was complicit in the cover-up is held accountable.


57 posted on 11/03/2012 10:48:40 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: G Larry
All security was removed to facilitate the kidnapping of Christopher Stevens.

This is similar to what I have been posting here off and on for several weeks. Others such as yourself have made posts citing credible evidence. I have just been speculating.

My initial reaction was that this was the botched “October Surprise” that was meant to take the attention of voters away from the sad state of the economy. The "bad guys" would hold Christopher Stevens until a week or so before the election and then a heroic rescue would be made. The problem was that in their attempt to smoke him out of the “safe” room the attackers killed him.

To me this would appear to be a classic botched evil Obama plan. It is like the whole birth certificate controversy; they think that they are smarter than everyone else, but they can't even produce a decent forgery of the long form. But the media has given him a free pass on everything. Once again their gross incompetence have resulted in the deaths of brave Americans... fortunately not as many as when the Seal Team helicopter was shot down after Obama outed them for political gain.

Obama is not just incompetent his actions appear to be treacherous in the most extreme manner possible. To me it appears that he and a number of collaborators should be facing prosecution.

58 posted on 11/03/2012 10:52:04 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: kristinn; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; onyx; Grampa Dave; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; LucyT; SunkenCiv; ...
Man....there is no end to the versions of just what happened.
59 posted on 11/03/2012 11:02:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: nuconvert

I KNOW what Patreaus is and I know what the President is, and they BOTH said it was because of the VIDEO!!!!!enough said.....two peas in a pod.


60 posted on 11/03/2012 11:08:48 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: nuconvert

By definition, if the team is held up for three hours at the airport, they are no longer covert and probably never were.


61 posted on 11/03/2012 11:13:59 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dittos.
Some times we collectively jump into a fire while forgetting to put on our boots first.
I have been bookmarking a lot of the videos from mostly Fox and a few other sites Freepers had referenced. Now with CBS and ABC starting to jump into the fray, who knows what is going to be shown. Whether it be tainted or not.
62 posted on 11/03/2012 11:14:32 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have to leave the computer for perhaps an hour...


63 posted on 11/03/2012 11:16:14 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: kristinn

Someone nominate Jennifer Griffin for the Nobel and Pulitzer


64 posted on 11/03/2012 11:18:06 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: kristinn

This whole sordid, sad, tragic affair has proven one thing. The only reasonably valid source of national/international news right now is FOX. Despite the protestations of the marxists...I know people make fun of ‘fair and balanced’ - but what are we to say of the Corrupt Media after this travesty? Should their motto be ‘unfair and imbalanced, ‘cause we lick Obama’s boots?’

The Corrupt Media has to be the most corrupt institution on earth, other than the Fed/Bankstas.


65 posted on 11/03/2012 11:22:01 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (Tea Party like it's 1773! Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: wtd

“there is no valid reason to disclose specifics about our capabilities and their purpose”

They reported they were ‘in the area.’ That’s no big revelation to our enemies. It may be a revelation to most Rats that are covering for Team Obama however. The buck stops where Obama?


66 posted on 11/03/2012 11:26:15 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (Tea Party like it's 1773! Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: kristinn; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ..
IMHO, the attack plan was, if not originated in the Oval Office, at the very least accepted and blessed there.

What the White House naïvely bought into IN ADVANCE was a scheme to allow Amb. Stevens to be kidnapped and held for ransom.

Obama and Valerie Jarret desperately wanted to show Obama as the Master Negotiator, a mensch capable of doing what even the Great Jimmy Carter couldn't: successfully redeem hostages from muslims, and just in time for the election.

As an added bonus, it would provide the all the cover needed to release the Blind Sheik and all the "political" prisoners from Gitmo.

I believe Bronco and Val were astonished when the scorpion stung them in mid-river.

That they were so (dare I say it?) UNEXPECTEDLY betrayed caught them so utterly flat-footed that they still haven't come up with a good cover story!

Just one old, tired and cynical guy's opinion, of course.

Cite one demonstrable fact that says it isn't true, if you can...

67 posted on 11/03/2012 11:28:06 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1383 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: null and void

That general concept of an explanation of the poop-storm that was Benghazi has been rattling around for a month-or-so.

I have no means of disputing any of it, or even of saying “That doesn’t sound right”.


68 posted on 11/03/2012 11:35:55 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: lonevoice

The traditional punishment for treason is the gallows, not imprisonment.


69 posted on 11/03/2012 11:37:47 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Ann Archy

“I KNOW what Patreaus is and I know what the President is, and they BOTH said it was because of the VIDEO!!!!!enough said.....two peas in a pod.”

The moment Petraeus became CIA Director, I knew what he was and what he represented. I even question his past record now.

You would have to be a certain “type” of person to work for Obama.


70 posted on 11/03/2012 11:39:10 AM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Makes one wonder if General Ham actually resigned rather than follow the treasonous CIC? Being relieved may be a cover story by the administration?

According to Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-UT03, General Ham was still very much in command, as of 1 October, when the two of them traveled together from AFRICOM HQ in Stuttgart to Libya.

www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/general_ham_is_still_commander_of_us_africa_command.html

71 posted on 11/03/2012 11:40:12 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: lonevoice

“This should be one of the first priorities of President Romney, and we must hold his feet to the fire until every single person who knew, did nothing, or was complicit in the cover-up is held accountable.”

And the very fact that the Corrupted Media knew of the glaring problems in the truth narrative, the drip, drip, drip and did nothing to help Fox and the blogosphere (and the Benghazi witnesses), is enough to impugn what remains of their tiny, tattered reputation for professionalism and objectivity.

The Corrupted Media are (should be) done, over, finished, TOAST in the Court of public opinion.


72 posted on 11/03/2012 11:43:47 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (Tea Party like it's 1773! Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: G Larry
The other thing that bothers me is if the intent of the dozens of attackers armed to the teeth was to simply kill the ambassador, and what other reason besides kidnapping could there be, why wasn't the consulate all shot up, and why weren't more personnel there killed?

As it was the only two fatalities there were due to smoke inhalation. I've seen pictures of the rescue vehicle with consultate people standing around during the 'attack' as if there is no incoming fire.

The two SEALs, having driven to the consulate and back, were killed at the CIA annex, which WAS under fire.

73 posted on 11/03/2012 11:44:33 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeattleBruce

And, forgot to add, and to your point, I think President Romney will pursue this in only because the media/TOTUS feigned so much horror that he brought it forward to begin with - to prove them totally wrong.


74 posted on 11/03/2012 11:49:12 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (Tea Party like it's 1773! Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: null and void

I’ve been thinking (and saying) Jarrett is up to her neck and then some in this disaster. One day the truth will out - I think a charge of ‘treason’ would suit her well.


75 posted on 11/03/2012 11:50:47 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: SeattleBruce

From your keyboard to God’s ears. Amen.


76 posted on 11/03/2012 11:51:09 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: null and void

Network of Evil. Mapping the Islamic Brigades from Benghazi to Syria.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2954345/posts


77 posted on 11/03/2012 12:07:09 PM PDT by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail.)
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To: cynwoody; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; onyx

Thanks for dropping that point on here.


78 posted on 11/03/2012 12:08:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: kristinn

I want to know where the armed drones were kept, that were used to monitor Ghadaffi’s chemical weapons sites - in Libya, or outside Libya?

If they had armed drones in Libya then I believe somebody needs to be charged with murder outright.

I could feel my blood pressure rising as I read this article. If this wasn’t so serious, the US would be the laughingstock among nations, including our allies, over this. As it is, it’s got to be horrific to anybody who depends on the US as an ally.

The only thing upholding the Obama regime in the midst of all this is the treasonous silence of the so-called “news media”. But then, I heard an interview of an award-winning CNN journalist who said that CNN is paid by governments to publish their own propaganda under the cover of CNN’s supposed credibility as a news organization. The same thing that Saddam Hussein did, and CNN is still up to the same dirty crap they did with Saddam.

Of course, the real fools are the people who put up with this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. But most people don’t know about CNN’s treason with Saddam and won’t listen to anybody who tells them about what’s going on now either.


79 posted on 11/03/2012 12:28:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: TomGuy

I am so glad that there are some reporters getting the scoop from eyewitnesses. If they are willing to come forward in an investigation, the truth about the CIA, State Department, military, and White House coverup will be exposed as well as the truth about what happened that day and in the run-up to that day.

According to a former award-winning CNN journalist (I need to look again so I remember her name), the Department of Homeland Security is being used as a weapon to silence the media. The NSA records phone conversations between journalists pursuing regime-harmful stories and their sources and the Obama regime also prosecutes to force journalists to reveal their sources in the name of “homeland security”. This means that journalists know they are putting their sources in danger if they pursue stories harmful to the regime. And they are putting their media company in a position to need to spend mega bucks defending the right to keep sources confidential. This gal says that everybody she worked with at CNN was fuming about that.


80 posted on 11/03/2012 12:36:37 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: cynwoody; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good find. That does seem to answer the question going around. It’s a great article on the whole. The author asks some very good questions.


81 posted on 11/03/2012 12:39:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: maggief

This article states that the General did not attend the funeral, because the CIA involement was secret. ????????

Didn’t we FReepers know within 24 hrs. that the annex was for CIA operations? Do they really think that just because they don’t officially acknowledge something, it is secret?


82 posted on 11/03/2012 12:45:09 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: lonevoice
Was just reading this thread .....

Libya Becomes Central Theme At Romney Rally

Brought up initially by Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani

Then the article had this paragraph:

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But the parade of high-profile surrogates who opened for the candidate fixated on another, more explosive issue — one with a particular power to both animate conservatives, and frighten Romney's senior staff. For about 60 minutes before Romney took the stage, Topic A was Libya.

83 posted on 11/03/2012 12:55:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "Thanks for dropping that point on here."
Ham's still in command has been brought out for some time. But that's ok. No harm done for repeated facts to be shown.
84 posted on 11/03/2012 1:06:05 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: dps.inspect

David Petraeus, your political skirt is showing... maybe your not the “man” most of us thought your were...


He showed his panties and bra when he demanded an end to free speech for the sake of glorious Shaira in response to the protest to the victory mosque at ground zero.


85 posted on 11/03/2012 1:06:39 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Giuliani needs to be front & center talking about this every day when & wherever he can.
He should be a visible & auditory link between Sept 11, 2001 and Sept 11, 2012.


86 posted on 11/03/2012 1:10:58 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Not surprising, I don't think. That's why I posted that we'll have to hold his feet to the fire. If Romney wins the Presidency, and Fox News and conservative pundits don't keep the heat turned up high on the Benghazi betrayal, justice may never be served.
87 posted on 11/03/2012 1:11:21 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

Can’t ya just see the 10 or so of them, standing around in their Bermuda shorts & cameras around their necks?


88 posted on 11/03/2012 1:14:38 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: null and void

That’s the most plausible explanation I’ve seen of their reactions to what happened. Makes perfect sense.

Are you old and tired? That’s my kinda guy! ;-)


89 posted on 11/03/2012 1:27:26 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: nuconvert

Officers take an oath to defend the constitution and that oath doesn’t disolve with retirement. Any oath he might have taken to run the CIA cannot supercede the original. He has ZERO authority to follow an order he might know to be illegal and abandoning US Gov’t employees would sure get close to being illegal, not to mention extra-constitutional. He MUST explain himself soon because he’s losing me fast.——————————————————————————————————————————————————— Just to underline the point: He took his appointment from a democrat president who he knew was trying to cut his own military and who he knew was crooked as hell. He didn’t have to retire when he did-—could have waited a couple more years. While he seemed to be a competent officer he has a ways to go to prove himself in any other area. He now has his chance and the job carries a pass-or-fail grade.———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————Watch for new stars on the wall at Langley, CIA HQ. That will tell us how many of the folks we lost at Benghazi were actually CIA?


90 posted on 11/03/2012 1:47:02 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: null and void

nope you got it...and since you used the scorpion analogy...all I can say is...’it is the middle east’


91 posted on 11/03/2012 1:58:25 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: cherokee1

And maybe by taking the CIA job, he thought he could be part of the solution by cleaning things up and strengthening from the inside.
The man is a patriot. Patriots serve their country no matter who is in charge.
He should get the benefit of the doubt until the facts all come out.


92 posted on 11/03/2012 2:03:01 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

AMEN!!! NO DECENT person would EVER work for Obama....NONE!!!! Patreaus is a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT!!!


93 posted on 11/03/2012 2:33:23 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: cynwoody

OMG!! We are being LIED to in EVERY direction!!!


94 posted on 11/03/2012 2:35:04 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: kristinn

Can Petraeus be tried for lying to the American people? He should at least be impeached. The CIA is not supposed to give out secrets. But they’re not supposed to make up lies to U.S. either.


95 posted on 11/03/2012 3:03:44 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To former friends and relatives. Don't ever contact me if you still support obama.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
IIRC, Once Romney became entitled to and started receiving the same daily briefing as Obama he was legally precluded from discussing anything that is still classified even if it has been totally leaked to the media.

Greta had Jason Chaffetz on after the latest leaks and after the classified documents were found in Benghazi. She pressed him repeatedly to denounce Obama over the content of the docs but he refused and only discussed unclassified memos that had been leaked to the media. Same with McCain. Greta couldn't get him to discuss any classified information and I believe that includes any discussion of the existence of the CIA "annex" in Benghazi.

That is why Romney has been so quiet, IMO. Think of how hard he would be hammered if he broke his sworn oath to keep all classified docs secret! Holder might even try to arrest him! Surrogates who don't receive the briefings, like Giuliani, aren't subject to any such restrictions so last night and today he has been hammering Obama.

96 posted on 11/03/2012 3:53:20 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: kristinn

Let’s also keep in mind that Libya is 6 hours ahead of DC. The WH knew about this at 3:40 or so in the afternoon.

I’ve had people use the 9:40PM angle on me like the world was all set to a single timezone. It wasn’t like Obama went to bed and things deteriorated.


97 posted on 11/03/2012 5:51:09 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: kristinn

1) this was not a real consulate according to sources.

2) my idea that Stevens was deliberately set up for death is backed by the statement here that the armed drones which NORMALLY fly over the chemical weapons depots were NOT flying that night. Was someone afraid they might be used?


98 posted on 11/03/2012 9:00:10 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: nuconvert

Possibly. He’s also a man who follows orders - if his CIC gave an order, he’s obliged to obey.


No he’s not. He could obey his conscience instead and quit, and have a press conference explaining why.


99 posted on 11/03/2012 9:13:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: thouworm

Could you add me to your little occasional ping list? I can’t find time to read everything. Every little pingagling helps...


100 posted on 11/03/2012 9:25:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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