Why Sebelius Campaigns So Hard for Her Boss — and Why He Won’t Fire Her

Townhall.com ^ | October 15, 2012 | Michael F. Cannon

[Lizavetta]

Has there ever been a more lawless President?

... or a less ethical media?

[soupbone1]

I don’t know. What I do know is that she will proudly declare herself to be Catholic while at the same time expressing her support for abortion. The women should be excommunicated.

[13Sisters76]

He makes Clinton look like an altar boy, and I didn’t think that was possible.

[Seaplaner]

Kathleen Sebelius...

America's mother-in-law.

[kearnyirish2]

Kansas is almost 30% Catholic.

Who do you think voted for her, the God-fearing Protestants? The overwhelming minority population?

[Mrs. Don-o]

I don't know whether the Cath. %age of Kansas is 30%, or more like 20% which is what these sources indicate (Link)

When Sebelius was an open enabler/protector of the butcher Tiller, and when her bishop had given her a monitum not to receive Communion, it seems to me she would not have been distinctively popular with Catholics (though, of course, there would be a hell-bent faction there, too.) And with the pop. of Kansas 70% or 80% non-Catholic, it seems unlikely the Catholic vote would have been the key to her electoral success.

Her electoral success in Kansas IS perplexing, in a state where most voters range from moderate to conservative, with so many God-fearing Protestants, Evangelicals and Catholics. How did she do it? I'm thinking it must have been some god-awful Republican fumble.

I am not from Kansas. I don't have any inside knowledge. I'm just guessing.

What do you think?

[MrB]

The women should be excommunicated.

The cowardly response to this has been:
"She has excommunicated herself by her statements."

[kearnyirish2]

My stats were from a census (29% Catholic); that might be because of “undocumented guest farm workers”.

I also don’t know what the dynamics are in Kansas, though I know when libs run in “American” states they don’t tout abortion & gun control even if they support them. Also, most rural states have an increasing number of Hispanics, and some of these must be voting (possibly legally).

[pbear8]

She is under Interdict.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Mr. B: I know that what you want is a public denunciation of public abortion promoters/enthusiasts (Don't we all!!) , but you won't get that even if they're excommunicated by their bishops. This is considered a pastoral matter; they'd get a letter or be told it face to face. It wouldn't become a public matter unless they called a press conference themselves.

Why is it "cowardly" to say they're been self-excommunicated (latae sentenciae). It's simply true.

Canon 1398 states: "a person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication."

If it's cowardly to say this, what would I have to say to be courageous?

[MrB]

I heard that Kansas is an abortion battleground because
“it’s cheaper to buy Kansas [politicians] than other states”.

[Mrs. Don-o]

This might make the situation clearer: in Roman Catholic canon law, excommunication is a "medicinal penalty" intended to invite the person to change behavior or attitude, repent, and return to full communion. It is not an "expiatory penalty" designed to make satisfaction for the wrong done, much less a "vindictive penalty" designed solely to punish.

Ordinarily, since this is a pastoral and "medicinal" matter, the excommunication would not be published. The only times I can think of when it would be, would be if the excommunicated person announced it is public, lied about in public, or if it were a priest who therefore also forbidden to function as a priest. If he continued to do so, his excommunication would be announced to prevent his illicit practice of priestly faculties which have been suspended.

You're yearning for a bishop to "go medieval" on the abortion-enablers with a dramatic Bell, Book and Candle anathema. I don't know this for a fact, but I doubt that any public ritual anathema has been performed for, probably, centuries.

[kearnyirish2]

“it’s cheaper to buy Kansas [politicians] than other states”.

That’s interesting; I didn’t know that. Here in Hudson County NJ a few years back we had a few dozen politicians rounded up (mostly Dems) for taking bribes, etc.; the saddest thing is how little these people sold their souls for (prison for a $5,000 bribe?).