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Libertarians have a stake in traditional values, too [Does Not Support Abortion, Same-Sex Marriage]
Washington Examiner ^ | 09/16/2012 | Bill Flax

Posted on 09/16/2012 6:51:44 PM PDT by billflax

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To: Dead Corpse

Another question.

What’s your stance on spousal visas? Gay marriage tourism is huge. Get married in America, grab a visa. :)

Isn’t that just fab?


21 posted on 09/16/2012 7:46:47 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

You aren’t....


22 posted on 09/16/2012 7:56:48 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: ansel12

http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+amnesty&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

You still don’t have a point.


23 posted on 09/16/2012 7:58:19 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

No. Nor is birthright citizenship to children of those here illegally.

But the GOP seems ok with it...


24 posted on 09/16/2012 7:59:24 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

When you agree with that position in post 19, and all the other radical leftism of your party, then you are beyond being talked to by conservatives.

No wonder that Noam Chomsky became a leading libertarian and that you guys get the Bill Mahers.


25 posted on 09/16/2012 8:16:13 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Dead Corpse

Even if what you say is true, it’s just not realistic at all to think we can close off welfare while we allow mass immigration of those likely to use it. Most Hispanic (and now most Asian) immigrants are going to vote for Democrats, and Democrats are going to be very generous spending tax payer dollars in buying the loyalty of voters. It’s really amazing (in a bad way) that libertarians think their ideas of limited govt will have appeal to immigrant communities.

But I disagree with you in part because I’m not convinced that even today’s heavily pro-Democrat immigrants are coming here for the welfare or govt freebies. I think they are coming because the US still offers more economic opportunities than their native lands. Of course once they get here...well, who’s gonna look a gift horse in the mouth?

Even if we somehow implemented libertarian policy today, it would simply be undone years from now when the Democrats have a demographic lock on power.


26 posted on 09/16/2012 8:22:52 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: billflax

I just saw an amazing picture of my friend’s 21 week old baby in her womb. The baby was so beautiful with all it’s fingers, toes and even it’s private parts fully formed. It has what looked like an expression on it’s face. Anyone who could think that he wasn’t a human deserving protection has to be nuts. Every human’s life from conception must be legally protected if we are to not be a barbaric, murderous society.


27 posted on 09/16/2012 8:32:34 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Dead Corpse

So you’re in favor of eliminating public education altogether?


28 posted on 09/16/2012 8:38:11 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Dead Corpse

“Nor is birthright citizenship to children of those here illegally.”

Last I checked, we call them ‘citizens’.


29 posted on 09/16/2012 8:40:07 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: ansel12
No wonder that Noam Chomsky became a leading libertarian and that you guys get the Bill Mahers.

If you think socialists like Noam Chomsky agree with the ideas of Libertarians you don't understand much about either. Chomsky is a libertarian socialist, which is a school of thought that is soundly rejected by non socialist libertarians.

Your argument is no different than saying that Democratic Socialists who believe in elections are the same as conservatives who also believe in elections. Obviously they don't have the same beliefs, even if they agree on some things like having elections.

30 posted on 09/16/2012 8:47:44 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: ansel12
The libertarian party is the true expression of libertarianism.

Should we also presume that the Republican party is the true expression of conservatism?

If it isn't then how do you know that the true expression of libertarianism is the Libertarian party?

31 posted on 09/16/2012 8:51:49 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: billflax

I don’t see anything in their current platform that disagrees with this position on child pornography....


http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/04/25/libertarian-presidential-front-runner-defends-child-porn/

Libertarian Presidential Front-Runner Defends Child Porn
April 25, 2008 · By Adam Dyck

Mary Ruwart, research scientist, perrenial Libertarian Senatorial candidate and front runner for this year’s Libertarian Presidential ticket is being taken to task for comments she made in her book, Short Answers to Tough Questions.

When discussing self choice in relation to child porn, she had this to say: “Children who willingly participate in sexual acts have the right to make that decision as well, even if it’s distasteful to us personally. Some children will make poor choices just as some adults do in smoking and drinking to excess. When we outlaw child pornography, the prices paid for child performers rise, increasing the incentives for parents to use children against their will.”


32 posted on 09/16/2012 8:54:05 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Because that party was founded not as a mass party, but just for that little niche of oddballs and lefties (who like low taxes).


33 posted on 09/16/2012 8:55:13 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: freeandfreezing

The list of truly radical leftists that are libertarians is very long.

Noam Chomsky adheres more to the true libertarianism, not this newer version that embraces the left, except for it’s economics.

That is why libertarianism is so silly, it is really a bunch of childish nonsense for some fringe whack cases.


34 posted on 09/16/2012 8:58:18 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I’m a conservative. You are a GOP hack who forgot what it is your were trying to conserve in the first place.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 4:21:56 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Aetius

We know we’ve been raping you for decades. But we can’t just stop now because people have come to expect us to rape you.

Your logic doesn’t scan. If it is wrong,cot is wrong. No matter how many people approve.


36 posted on 09/17/2012 4:24:02 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Yes. NASA and the FAA as well....


37 posted on 09/17/2012 4:24:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Yes... And who redefined what it takes to claim birthright citizenship. Who Los broadened the term that any illegal squatting on a roadside can claim all those freebies if she can just wait until they are over the border....

The Founders would puke up a lung at such fraud....


38 posted on 09/17/2012 4:27:50 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Considering that they were all grandfathered? I think not.


39 posted on 09/17/2012 11:49:09 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Even that required a special "one time" agreement.

No. The term was never meant to be so broad. Just as with most "penumbras and emanations" the courts and legislatures are currently using to run our Republic into the ground.

40 posted on 09/17/2012 12:04:22 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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