Skip to comments.NBC News: Paul Ryan is Romney VP choice
Posted on 08/10/2012 9:53:45 PM PDT by Brandonmark
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Most likely the interest rate on that college loan is even lower than mortgage rates are now. So unless they have no other debt whatsoever and no plans to acquire any new debt in the next decade or so, it doesn't make financial sense to pay anything but the minimum on that loan. Doesn't make sense to give up $18,000 in debt at a 2.5% rate when you can add it to your down payment on a house and therefore avoid adding $18,000 more at a 4% rate onto your books.
I agree that McDonnell has a better resume (successful governor, Lt. Col in USA/USAR, etc.), but Romney and McDonnell together is a bit too similar appearance-wise (Romney is 65 and McDonnell is 58). Ryan adds some youth to the ticket, and I believe that he and Scott Walker can deliver Wisconsin for the Rs.
Lol, if you think talking about how many votes anyone's budget got during maneuvers by the parties in the House will be a campaign issue, well, go ahead and think it.
But it will be, and already has been, about Ryan pushing grannie in her wheelchair over the cliff, and any other detail of Ryan's proposals they can demagogue and make a campaign commercial from.
They just better make a convincing case for the need to reduce the deficits and stop piling debt on future taxpayers. The case can be made, but there hasn't been too much indication yet that the Romney team can or will make the case.
Bad pick, very very bad pick. Romney broke the first rule of “do no harm” to the ticket.
Ryan’s medicare plan will be headlined across the nation in a bad light and will not only lose the independent vote, it may very well lose a not-insignificant chunk of the over 55 moderate conservatives.
Regardless of the details of the Ryan budget, this is a game of politics, not policy. Every news channel and newspaper will say over and over again, Ryan wants to give each senior a $7,000 coupon to buy private insurance, that the coupon value increases with inflation (1 to 3 percent) while insurance costs go up 8 to 10 percent a year and then seniors are on their own...this will be a very steep hill to climb.
This pick will no doubt shore up the base but in the face of another 4 years of Obama, the base didn’t need to be shored up. We need the mushy middle. The Romney campaign needs a smack upside the head.
Even with the best case scenario, consider Florida’s 29 electoral votes gone.
Yup, be prepared. Again, it could have been worse. Morris mentioned Rubio had a couple of scandals (too close for comfort). Romney could have chosen Jesus Christ and something negative would have been trending on Twitter.
We just have to deal with it.
I heard it from a Dick Morris video. He was basically going down the list of negatives for all the VP possibilities. Paul Ryan's problem (the above mentioned) Morris brushed off as democrat silliness but gave us the heads up on it.
CHEERS TO PAUL RYAN!
I've very reluctantly - and tentatively - decided to take a carton of clothepins with me to the polling place and pull the lever for The-RINO-Whose-Name-I-Will-Not-Speak. Even still, the statement above is utter nonsense.
The GOP candidate is a leftist. He isn't as much of a leftist as Obama, but he is a leftist. There's a very strong case to be made that electing him could destroy the conservative movement permanently. He won't govern as a conservative. You know that. I know that. He'll govern as a Gerald Ford or a Bush. And he'll almost certainly fail. And "conservatism" will be blamed for the failure.
I loathe him. But I'll vote for him becuase I'm convinced that he MIGHT make marginally better Supreme Court appointments - though his record in Massachussetts makes that more of an exercise in faith than anything. And I may well be wrong.
It might well be that it would be better in the long run to let Filth get reelected and have the whole thing come crashing down on the Dems and the left. To me it's a 51/49 proposition.
So I'll vote for WhatsHisName. But a conservative could very easily and justifiably skip the President and vote downticket only, or vote 3rd party.
That's the same as asking what do you prefer brain cancer or lung cancer.Who do you prefer it be?
If conservatives want to eliminate the cancer infecting both parties they need to stop electing the lesser of two evils.
Face it, you are never gonna be elected POTUS. If you walk around thinking that anyone who disagrees with you at all is evil, you cant participate in the negotiation for the actual selection at all.
There isnt any principled way, tho, of selecting among more than two candidates - the guy who finishes third might be acceptable to more people than the guy who finishes second, or even first. What that tells me is that the point of voting realistically cannot be to select the best person for the job - but only to limit how bad the failure to select the best person for the job will actually be.
We know that we wont select the best person for the job; I would argue that the best person for the job usually doesnt even run for the job. With all the jerks we have in Congress, does it seem possible that there isnt a lawyer, or a physician or a businessman anywhere in the half-million people in an congressional district who would be better than their actual congressman?
Time will tell. Just sick of the know-it-all naysayers on this, a conservative site, who seem to practically be water carriers for the dems and Obama day in and day out. Not saying you’re that, just the negativity has become the worst thing I can think of if you want your point of view considered-boring.
I never found him to be boring.
Better than all asshat and no cattle, like you.
Romney was already backing Ryan's plan, so it's not like the Dems couldn't have done it anyway. Besides, I see it as very hard to demagogue Paul Ryan. The guy looks and sounds like a boy scout. Besides, we all know the debt is the biggest fiscal cliff we're facing. I just can't believe our side can't turn that into a winning issue. It's not that hard for people to understand. People hate their student loan and mortgage debt, right? So why is it so hard to explain that a debt collectively shared by all of us can have consequences that are just as negative for the whole country? We need to win on our issues by winning the argument instead of backing away because we think the Dems will "Dem-agogue" us. That's just cowardice.
Ryan understands these issues and can explain fiscal issues better than most Republicans. He knows the numbers backwards and forwards. He can just get a tad long-winded, so he needs to work on being more succinct with his answers.
As opposed to the horse whipping Medicare is going to take under Obamacare?
Ryan vs. Obama at healthcare summitt:
This reminds me of the Harriet Miers nomination firestorm. Some on here wanted to just accept Bush's personal lawyer, because she seemed safe and inoffensive. But others were right to assert themselves and insist on a proven conservative nominee to the USSC. We got Alito, who has been excellent. In the same vein, I trust Paul Ryan to be able to articulate his case if he is in fact the nominee (of which we're not even sure yet).
He might not be as charismatic as West, or some of the others...but America most needs a good, steady set of hands at the helm now who can help control and curb government spending. Ryan seems to fit that need. His budget, though many have faulted it...still received over 200 votes of approval. Obama's received Zero.
Already been mentioned here
Compared to Rubio (who was also mentioned among others) Ryan was one of the cleanest.
Ryan’s 2012 CPAC Keynote Speech:
Watched him being interviewed a few days ago were he said that he spends his time in Washington, Mondays through Thursday and then flies home for the weekends to be with his family.
We might have had the luxury of voting 3rd party if Obamacare had been overturned. Then, gridlock might have worked out by simply stopping the Obama agenda. But I just don’t see anyway this country is better off if Obamacare stays in place, and once the goodies start being passed out in the next 4 years, no one who says they’re going to overturn it will be able to be elected as President. Romney is far enough out on the limb that he pretty much has to overturn it if elected, even though he would’ve passed it himself if he had been elected in 2008. It’s certainly hard to imagine Ryan defending the idea of keeping Obamacare.
Ryam is not Boring.
Ryan is not Boring.
Who do you think Romney should have chosen?
I actually like the fact that Mitt made this pick seemingly based on the substance of the candidate, not on crass political calculation. Rubio or Martinez would have been his picks if crass political calculation had won the day. I certainly don’t understand how conservatives who supposedly rail against affirmative action can claim that Rubio should be the V.P. pick so that we can win the “Hispanic vote.” Talk about not practicing what you preach. If Romney really wants to rehabilitate his reputation with conservatives, picking Ryan is the kind of decision he should continue making. And if he’s going to talk about economics, I certainly hope the debt is spoken of at least as much as jobs are, since the government is thoroughly responsible for the debt but does not and should not take any responsibility for creating jobs.
I tend to agree... hope we're wrong that this pair won't excite the crowds.
never in the 10+ years I've been a FREE REPUBLIC POSTER has anyone ever done that to ME...
So this election I guess will be dirty, as it has started right here with a man who has young children sending a message because he got Pi$$ed off at a seventy year old woman's comment, which was mild in regards to what he sent me....
This person has served this country well Militarily, I hope he does a better job raising his two young children than the message he sent ME..
with these remarks from me I will now sign off and reconsider if I'll ever return..
Zero's speechifying talent wears thin rapidly, even without 3.5 years of negative achievement. Look to the left, say something, look to the right, say something ... blah, blah, blah. Total somnulence (unless the teleprompter gronks).
BREAKING: Joe Biden turns down requests to debate Paul Ryan. Challenges him to a game of beer pong instead.
>>consider Floridas 29 electoral votes gone.
Could be, but I’m not so sure.
One of the main reasons the GOP could win Florida is seniors hate Obamacare. Ryan is one of the strongest voices, if not the strongest voice against Obamacare. Ryan could well resonate with these seniors in Florida - if he hasn’t already.
Ryan on Chris Mathews
Paul Ryan Destroys Debbie Wasserman-Schultz in Obamacare Debate
Paul Ryan talks health care with Howard Dean and John Sheils
Paul Ryan Takes Chris Matthews “To School” On Deficits and Taxes
The good news: Obama isn’t lighting anyone’s hair on fire this time around either.
Oh you cant leave. You must stay and fight the fight
And one of my favorites:
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) Rips MSNBC For ‘Using Capitalist Rhetoric’ To Move Anti-Market Obamacare
I was saying the same thing. Then, I had a light turn on. Marco Rubio will bring Florida to Romney from where he is. He won't be distracted from that task campaigning around the nation. This will be a huge advantage for Romney with Rubio speaking to the Latino community in their own language.
My son is 24 and loves Ryan. It’s good pick, Ryan can take the heat just fine.
Paul Ryan was one of those I hoped would run for President in 2012.
I had mixed feelings about him being chosen as VP simply because we need him so much where he’s at now. But I’ll get over that. Hope we can replace him.
I have good feelings about the man. I mean, he’s got to be an improvement to the ticket. Mitt Romney? ... HELLO!
We just have to work with what we got. I’m happy with the choice. More happy for him than I am his boss.
The only way Obama loses is if head wins out over heart with the electorate. There is no politician who can out-charisma Obama with the general public short of the second coming of Reagan. So I think putting a recognizably strong intellect on the ticket is the right way to go. The conclusion the public has to come to is that “we like Obama, but we need someone who’s going to be better at the job than him.” The public needs to learn that Miss Congeniality is nice but it doesn’t mean you know how to solve the country’s complex problems. I don’t know if it can be done but Ryan gets us closer.
Thanks for the photo! Nice-looking family. (And I think Ryan is actually kinda cute! Which could be useful in getting a few votes here and there.)
But ... they live in a pink house? Really? Who lives in a pink house?
One more point and clip, then I promise I’ll stop pinging you.. :)
The point is that the Dems are already running against Ryan, you hear them all the time say “under the Romney/Ryan plan..” They will continue this even if Ryan is not on the ticket.
The economy will be a major issue; Obamacare will be a major issue. Having the best planner and spokesman/debator on these two issues could be a major plus.
Paul Ryan on MSNBC: This is the rule of man, not the rule of law
Unfortunately, if the election goes the wrong way there will only be one evil and possibly the end of America as we know it.
In 1992 I voted for Ross Perot because I did what I thought was the sensible conscientious choice and as a result we just went further down the “destruction of America” path.
If you have made your decision so be it. But my hope is you have had some time in prayer which led you to your position.
I’m just curious how Ryan sounds on issues of defense or social issues. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him on TV talking about anything besides fiscal matters.
Rubio has had brushes with scandal. One of his friends David Rivera Congressman form South Florida is under investigation and very seriously so for living off a party credit card for ten years. Rubio charged $100,000 on that party credit card and $16,000 he spent for personal items. But had repaid American Express. If he were chosen he would have had to list each item and something that would not be good for the media and Obama to be harping on. There was also another scandal close to Rubio that could have come back to bite him politically even though nothing really was shown that he had done anything wrong. I think you will find that Romney did not want to invite the scrutiny about this stuff into the campaign.
During the Clinton / Dole 1996 I stayed home too.
But that was a democrat vs republican or liberal vs RINO
2012: It’s Obama (who just happens to be socialist) against us.
This is not Obama vs Romney
It’s socialism vs America
Obama vs us
It’ll definitely be interesting to hear more about Ryan’s positions on other issues. Sounds like he’s a vigorous pro-life Catholic from this excerpt.
“In February (2010), Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin wrote a paper for the Heritage Foundation titled “The Cause of Life Cant be Severed from the Cause of Freedom,” and in July, he took issue with Mitch Daniels’ call for a “truce” on social issues.”
I hope you sleep good at night (/sarcasm) knowing you made ‘SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER’ most likely within the next four years.
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