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NBC News: Paul Ryan is Romney VP choice
WEAU.com ^ | 8/11/12 | WEAU staff

Posted on 08/10/2012 9:53:45 PM PDT by Brandonmark

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To: DJlaysitup
She married a guy who makes good money but has an $18,000 college loan debt. They are actually waiting on the "debt forgiveness" because they figure if they pay off the loan now they would be Saps

Most likely the interest rate on that college loan is even lower than mortgage rates are now. So unless they have no other debt whatsoever and no plans to acquire any new debt in the next decade or so, it doesn't make financial sense to pay anything but the minimum on that loan. Doesn't make sense to give up $18,000 in debt at a 2.5% rate when you can add it to your down payment on a house and therefore avoid adding $18,000 more at a 4% rate onto your books.

101 posted on 08/10/2012 11:05:59 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: All
I don't think that Ryan is boring at all. He speaks well and has excellent command of the issues. The most "exciting" thing about a politician is the enthusiasm he can bring out in others. If the pick is Ryan, he will bring out many conservatives who are holding their noses and voting for Romney. Ryan is also a Catholic and that group feels under siege right now with Obama's HHS rulings, and I bet many moderate and even Dem Catholics will be tempted to vote for Ryan.

I agree that McDonnell has a better resume (successful governor, Lt. Col in USA/USAR, etc.), but Romney and McDonnell together is a bit too similar appearance-wise (Romney is 65 and McDonnell is 58). Ryan adds some youth to the ticket, and I believe that he and Scott Walker can deliver Wisconsin for the Rs.

102 posted on 08/10/2012 11:06:01 PM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: John W
According to you.

Lol, if you think talking about how many votes anyone's budget got during maneuvers by the parties in the House will be a campaign issue, well, go ahead and think it.

But it will be, and already has been, about Ryan pushing grannie in her wheelchair over the cliff, and any other detail of Ryan's proposals they can demagogue and make a campaign commercial from.

They just better make a convincing case for the need to reduce the deficits and stop piling debt on future taxpayers. The case can be made, but there hasn't been too much indication yet that the Romney team can or will make the case.

103 posted on 08/10/2012 11:06:20 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Brandonmark

Bad pick, very very bad pick. Romney broke the first rule of “do no harm” to the ticket.

Ryan’s medicare plan will be headlined across the nation in a bad light and will not only lose the independent vote, it may very well lose a not-insignificant chunk of the over 55 moderate conservatives.

Regardless of the details of the Ryan budget, this is a game of politics, not policy. Every news channel and newspaper will say over and over again, Ryan wants to give each senior a $7,000 coupon to buy private insurance, that the coupon value increases with inflation (1 to 3 percent) while insurance costs go up 8 to 10 percent a year and then seniors are on their own...this will be a very steep hill to climb.

This pick will no doubt shore up the base but in the face of another 4 years of Obama, the base didn’t need to be shored up. We need the mushy middle. The Romney campaign needs a smack upside the head.

Even with the best case scenario, consider Florida’s 29 electoral votes gone.


104 posted on 08/10/2012 11:07:11 PM PDT by jackmercer
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To: Qbert
"Medicare" was trending recently on Twitter, with the expected, "Ryan wants to kill Medicare",

Yup, be prepared. Again, it could have been worse. Morris mentioned Rubio had a couple of scandals (too close for comfort). Romney could have chosen Jesus Christ and something negative would have been trending on Twitter.

We just have to deal with it.

I heard it from a Dick Morris video. He was basically going down the list of negatives for all the VP possibilities. Paul Ryan's problem (the above mentioned) Morris brushed off as democrat silliness but gave us the heads up on it.

105 posted on 08/10/2012 11:09:27 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Brandonmark

CHEERS TO PAUL RYAN!

106 posted on 08/10/2012 11:09:56 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Typical_Whitey
"Anybody that says they won’t vote for this ticket is not Conservative..."

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I've very reluctantly - and tentatively - decided to take a carton of clothepins with me to the polling place and pull the lever for The-RINO-Whose-Name-I-Will-Not-Speak. Even still, the statement above is utter nonsense.

The GOP candidate is a leftist. He isn't as much of a leftist as Obama, but he is a leftist. There's a very strong case to be made that electing him could destroy the conservative movement permanently. He won't govern as a conservative. You know that. I know that. He'll govern as a Gerald Ford or a Bush. And he'll almost certainly fail. And "conservatism" will be blamed for the failure.

I loathe him. But I'll vote for him becuase I'm convinced that he MIGHT make marginally better Supreme Court appointments - though his record in Massachussetts makes that more of an exercise in faith than anything. And I may well be wrong.

It might well be that it would be better in the long run to let Filth get reelected and have the whole thing come crashing down on the Dems and the left. To me it's a 51/49 proposition.

So I'll vote for WhatsHisName. But a conservative could very easily and justifiably skip the President and vote downticket only, or vote 3rd party.

Hank

107 posted on 08/10/2012 11:10:14 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: montanajoe
“Who do you prefer it be?”
That's the same as asking what do you prefer brain cancer or lung cancer.

If conservatives want to eliminate the cancer infecting both parties they need to stop electing the lesser of two evils.

Face it, you are never gonna be elected POTUS. If you walk around thinking that anyone who disagrees with you at all is evil, you can’t participate in the negotiation for the actual selection at all.

There isn’t any principled way, tho, of selecting among more than two candidates - the guy who finishes third might be acceptable to more people than the guy who finishes second, or even first. What that tells me is that the point of voting realistically cannot be to select “the best person for the job” - but only to limit how bad the failure to select the best person for the job will actually be.

We know that we won’t select the best person for the job; I would argue that the best person for the job usually doesn’t even run for the job. With all the jerks we have in Congress, does it seem possible that there isn’t a lawyer, or a physician or a businessman anywhere in the half-million people in an congressional district who would be better than their actual congressman?


108 posted on 08/10/2012 11:10:28 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Will88

Time will tell. Just sick of the know-it-all naysayers on this, a conservative site, who seem to practically be water carriers for the dems and Obama day in and day out. Not saying you’re that, just the negativity has become the worst thing I can think of if you want your point of view considered-boring.


109 posted on 08/10/2012 11:10:41 PM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BushMeister
Paul Ryan has always amazed me with his knowledge. He has a way of making boring subjects such as budgets and finances not only understandable but interesting as well.

I never found him to be boring.

110 posted on 08/10/2012 11:12:28 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: EternalVigilance
"It’s like watching cattle go into the chutes."

Better than all asshat and no cattle, like you.

111 posted on 08/10/2012 11:14:22 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: jackmercer
Ryan’s medicare plan will be headlined across the nation in a bad light and will not only lose the independent vote, it may very well lose a not-insignificant chunk of the over 55 moderate conservatives.

Romney was already backing Ryan's plan, so it's not like the Dems couldn't have done it anyway. Besides, I see it as very hard to demagogue Paul Ryan. The guy looks and sounds like a boy scout. Besides, we all know the debt is the biggest fiscal cliff we're facing. I just can't believe our side can't turn that into a winning issue. It's not that hard for people to understand. People hate their student loan and mortgage debt, right? So why is it so hard to explain that a debt collectively shared by all of us can have consequences that are just as negative for the whole country? We need to win on our issues by winning the argument instead of backing away because we think the Dems will "Dem-agogue" us. That's just cowardice.

Ryan understands these issues and can explain fiscal issues better than most Republicans. He knows the numbers backwards and forwards. He can just get a tad long-winded, so he needs to work on being more succinct with his answers.

112 posted on 08/10/2012 11:14:29 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: jackmercer
"Ryan’s medicare plan will be headlined across the nation in a bad light"

As opposed to the horse whipping Medicare is going to take under Obamacare?

113 posted on 08/10/2012 11:15:49 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: woofie

Ryan vs. Obama at healthcare summitt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-lxg7XrF6I&feature=related


114 posted on 08/10/2012 11:17:53 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: All
Lots of posters on here who are terrified by the prospect of an attack on Ryan's budget. I have to ask: how the hell are we going to overcome the crushing and nearly intractable financial problems this nations faces with debt and entitlements if we can't even *talk* about the problem? Does everyone understand the amount of political wrangling and legislation that wold be necessary to actually make a dent in our problems? Has anyone besides Ryan even offered a flesh-ed out proposal to reduce the deficit or address spending?

This reminds me of the Harriet Miers nomination firestorm. Some on here wanted to just accept Bush's personal lawyer, because she seemed safe and inoffensive. But others were right to assert themselves and insist on a proven conservative nominee to the USSC. We got Alito, who has been excellent. In the same vein, I trust Paul Ryan to be able to articulate his case if he is in fact the nominee (of which we're not even sure yet).

115 posted on 08/10/2012 11:19:33 PM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: Brandonmark
It is obvious that there were a lot of good people from whom to chose. However, I think Romney wanted the person who is strongest on economic issues and has the clearest handle on what it will take to improve our economy. Ryan, whose intelligent attack on Obamacare and his direct approach to Obama at the Health Care Summit Link to Ryan speaking at Health Care Summit has what Romney needs in a running mate at this time. He is a clear thinker, analytical, and able to cut through the crap in a concise, logical manner.

He might not be as charismatic as West, or some of the others...but America most needs a good, steady set of hands at the helm now who can help control and curb government spending. Ryan seems to fit that need. His budget, though many have faulted it...still received over 200 votes of approval. Obama's received Zero.

116 posted on 08/10/2012 11:20:13 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: montanajoe
If you are not voting for Romney and maybe Ryan then are you so selfish and immature that you want me and other tea partiers to do your fighting to save America. It was folks like you that gave us Hopey Changey and just to spite all the caring Conservative American will hide in a closet and let Obama have your vote.
117 posted on 08/10/2012 11:20:49 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (I would rather be hung with a few brave conservatives than live a lifetime with cowardly liberals.)
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To: jackmercer

Already been mentioned here

http://www.dickmorris.com/handicapping-the-vp-field-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

Compared to Rubio (who was also mentioned among others) Ryan was one of the cleanest.


118 posted on 08/10/2012 11:20:59 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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Ryan’s 2012 CPAC Keynote Speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek2v_SyRBR8


119 posted on 08/10/2012 11:20:59 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: driftdiver; Brandonmark
Because of course Ryan is going to be in his hometown instead of washington where he actually spends most of his time.

Watched him being interviewed a few days ago were he said that he spends his time in Washington, Mondays through Thursday and then flies home for the weekends to be with his family.

120 posted on 08/10/2012 11:21:21 PM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

We might have had the luxury of voting 3rd party if Obamacare had been overturned. Then, gridlock might have worked out by simply stopping the Obama agenda. But I just don’t see anyway this country is better off if Obamacare stays in place, and once the goodies start being passed out in the next 4 years, no one who says they’re going to overturn it will be able to be elected as President. Romney is far enough out on the limb that he pretty much has to overturn it if elected, even though he would’ve passed it himself if he had been elected in 2008. It’s certainly hard to imagine Ryan defending the idea of keeping Obamacare.


121 posted on 08/10/2012 11:22:53 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: mojitojoe

Ryam is not Boring.


122 posted on 08/10/2012 11:23:20 PM PDT by factmart
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To: mojitojoe

Ryan is not Boring.


123 posted on 08/10/2012 11:23:34 PM PDT by factmart
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To: jackmercer
Regardless of the details of the Ryan budget, this is a game of politics, not policy. Every news channel and newspaper will say over and over again, Ryan wants to give each senior a $7,000 coupon to buy private insurance, that the coupon value increases with inflation (1 to 3 percent) while insurance costs go up 8 to 10 percent a year and then seniors are on their own...this will be a very steep hill to climb. This pick will no doubt shore up the base but in the face of another 4 years of Obama, the base didn’t need to be shored up. We need the mushy middle. The Romney campaign needs a smack upside the head. Even with the best case scenario, consider Florida’s 29 electoral votes gone.

I don't think the 49 electoral votes are definitely "gone"...but much more in jeopardy. If Mitt still loses Wisconsin this is the dumbest pick since Eagleton. You almost have to wonder if he is trying to win.
124 posted on 08/10/2012 11:23:34 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: Tennessee Nana

Beautiful family!!


125 posted on 08/10/2012 11:28:53 PM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Anybody But Obama 2012)
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To: DJlaysitup

Who do you think Romney should have chosen?


126 posted on 08/10/2012 11:29:09 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: DJlaysitup

I actually like the fact that Mitt made this pick seemingly based on the substance of the candidate, not on crass political calculation. Rubio or Martinez would have been his picks if crass political calculation had won the day. I certainly don’t understand how conservatives who supposedly rail against affirmative action can claim that Rubio should be the V.P. pick so that we can win the “Hispanic vote.” Talk about not practicing what you preach. If Romney really wants to rehabilitate his reputation with conservatives, picking Ryan is the kind of decision he should continue making. And if he’s going to talk about economics, I certainly hope the debt is spoken of at least as much as jobs are, since the government is thoroughly responsible for the debt but does not and should not take any responsibility for creating jobs.


127 posted on 08/10/2012 11:30:40 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I guess Romney decided he didn’t want to light our hair on fire. What a boring ticket. I like Ryan, but he won’t be exciting the crowds and getting voters to the polls.

I tend to agree... hope we're wrong that this pair won't excite the crowds.

128 posted on 08/10/2012 11:30:47 PM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Anybody But Obama 2012)
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TO ALL.... Because I made a comment that upset MONTANAJOE. He felt it necessary to send me via personal mail a filthy, nasty,dirty, vulgar remark....and he posted not once but twice!

never in the 10+ years I've been a FREE REPUBLIC POSTER has anyone ever done that to ME...

So this election I guess will be dirty, as it has started right here with a man who has young children sending a message because he got Pi$$ed off at a seventy year old woman's comment, which was mild in regards to what he sent me....

This person has served this country well Militarily, I hope he does a better job raising his two young children than the message he sent ME..

with these remarks from me I will now sign off and reconsider if I'll ever return..

Carole
haircutter

129 posted on 08/10/2012 11:31:21 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: DJlaysitup
Let’s face it - Obama is one helluva campaigner and speachifier..:-(

Zero's speechifying talent wears thin rapidly, even without 3.5 years of negative achievement. Look to the left, say something, look to the right, say something ... blah, blah, blah. Total somnulence (unless the teleprompter gronks).

130 posted on 08/10/2012 11:31:54 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Brandonmark

BREAKING: Joe Biden turns down requests to debate Paul Ryan. Challenges him to a game of beer pong instead.


131 posted on 08/10/2012 11:33:24 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Brandonmark
I like Ryan but part of me wants it not to be him just to prove how off the MSM can get it. MSNBC actually broke into an episode of Lockdown or whatever the name is of one of their dumb prison shows. (I only know because they were going back to it when I passed the channel). Fox says AP has called it to, but they (Fox) don't have confirmation. I'd love to hear how MSNBC, AP and CNN got it all wrong!
132 posted on 08/10/2012 11:33:58 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: jackmercer

>>consider Florida’s 29 electoral votes gone.

Could be, but I’m not so sure.

One of the main reasons the GOP could win Florida is seniors hate Obamacare. Ryan is one of the strongest voices, if not the strongest voice against Obamacare. Ryan could well resonate with these seniors in Florida - if he hasn’t already.

Ryan on Chris Mathews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpt83xV-b08&feature=related

Paul Ryan Destroys Debbie Wasserman-Schultz in Obamacare Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u45IETzTqqQ&feature=related

Paul Ryan talks health care with Howard Dean and John Sheils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6eMqyvEDqI&feature=relmfu

Paul Ryan Takes Chris Matthews “To School” On Deficits and Taxes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsOet9ynS0&feature=related


133 posted on 08/10/2012 11:34:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: nutmeg

The good news: Obama isn’t lighting anyone’s hair on fire this time around either.


134 posted on 08/10/2012 11:35:20 PM PDT by DRey
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To: haircutter

Oh you cant leave. You must stay and fight the fight


135 posted on 08/10/2012 11:36:26 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: jackmercer

And one of my favorites:

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) Rips MSNBC For ‘Using Capitalist Rhetoric’ To Move Anti-Market Obamacare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ThvOyrPCw&feature=related


136 posted on 08/10/2012 11:37:39 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Brandonmark
It'd be kind of amusing if it was Rubio or some one else and their first words as nominee were “Guess ya can't really rely on unnamed sources”.
137 posted on 08/10/2012 11:38:55 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: jackmercer
"Even with the best case scenario, consider Florida’s 29 electoral votes gone."

I was saying the same thing. Then, I had a light turn on. Marco Rubio will bring Florida to Romney from where he is. He won't be distracted from that task campaigning around the nation. This will be a huge advantage for Romney with Rubio speaking to the Latino community in their own language.

138 posted on 08/10/2012 11:39:42 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: KansasGirl

My son is 24 and loves Ryan. It’s good pick, Ryan can take the heat just fine.


139 posted on 08/10/2012 11:40:22 PM PDT by CityCenter
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To: D-fendr

Paul Ryan was one of those I hoped would run for President in 2012.

I had mixed feelings about him being chosen as VP simply because we need him so much where he’s at now. But I’ll get over that. Hope we can replace him.

I have good feelings about the man. I mean, he’s got to be an improvement to the ticket. Mitt Romney? ... HELLO!

We just have to work with what we got. I’m happy with the choice. More happy for him than I am his boss.


140 posted on 08/10/2012 11:41:09 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: haircutter
with these remarks from me I will now sign off and reconsider if I'll ever return..

If his message was that bad, forward it to JimRob. He will take care of it if necessary. But reconsidering never returning based on a thuggy message is...well...cowering to thuggery. Turn him in and come on back old girl!
141 posted on 08/10/2012 11:42:11 PM PDT by DRey
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To: cynwoody

The only way Obama loses is if head wins out over heart with the electorate. There is no politician who can out-charisma Obama with the general public short of the second coming of Reagan. So I think putting a recognizably strong intellect on the ticket is the right way to go. The conclusion the public has to come to is that “we like Obama, but we need someone who’s going to be better at the job than him.” The public needs to learn that Miss Congeniality is nice but it doesn’t mean you know how to solve the country’s complex problems. I don’t know if it can be done but Ryan gets us closer.


142 posted on 08/10/2012 11:43:49 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Thanks for the photo! Nice-looking family. (And I think Ryan is actually kinda cute! Which could be useful in getting a few votes here and there.)

But ... they live in a pink house? Really? Who lives in a pink house?


143 posted on 08/10/2012 11:49:54 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: jackmercer

One more point and clip, then I promise I’ll stop pinging you.. :)

The point is that the Dems are already running against Ryan, you hear them all the time say “under the Romney/Ryan plan..” They will continue this even if Ryan is not on the ticket.

The economy will be a major issue; Obamacare will be a major issue. Having the best planner and spokesman/debator on these two issues could be a major plus.

Paul Ryan on MSNBC: This is the rule of man, not the rule of law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyUYAsBWlTA&feature=related


144 posted on 08/10/2012 11:50:37 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: montanajoe

Unfortunately, if the election goes the wrong way there will only be one evil and possibly the end of America as we know it.

In 1992 I voted for Ross Perot because I did what I thought was the sensible conscientious choice and as a result we just went further down the “destruction of America” path.

If you have made your decision so be it. But my hope is you have had some time in prayer which led you to your position.


145 posted on 08/10/2012 11:51:24 PM PDT by bazbo (God would have you vote your conscience, men would have you vote for a "winner".)
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To: D-fendr

I’m just curious how Ryan sounds on issues of defense or social issues. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him on TV talking about anything besides fiscal matters.


146 posted on 08/10/2012 11:53:46 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: jonrick46

Rubio has had brushes with scandal. One of his friends David Rivera Congressman form South Florida is under investigation and very seriously so for living off a party credit card for ten years. Rubio charged $100,000 on that party credit card and $16,000 he spent for personal items. But had repaid American Express. If he were chosen he would have had to list each item and something that would not be good for the media and Obama to be harping on. There was also another scandal close to Rubio that could have come back to bite him politically even though nothing really was shown that he had done anything wrong. I think you will find that Romney did not want to invite the scrutiny about this stuff into the campaign.


147 posted on 08/10/2012 11:55:42 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: bazbo

During the Clinton / Dole 1996 I stayed home too.

But that was a democrat vs republican or liberal vs RINO

2012: It’s Obama (who just happens to be socialist) against us.

This is not Obama vs Romney

It’s socialism vs America

Obama vs us


148 posted on 08/10/2012 11:58:31 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: D-fendr

It’ll definitely be interesting to hear more about Ryan’s positions on other issues. Sounds like he’s a vigorous pro-life Catholic from this excerpt.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-ryan-gop-must-continue-fighting-right-life

“In February (2010), Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin wrote a paper for the Heritage Foundation titled “The Cause of Life Can’t be Severed from the Cause of Freedom,” and in July, he took issue with Mitch Daniels’ call for a “truce” on social issues.”


149 posted on 08/10/2012 11:59:22 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: montanajoe

I hope you sleep good at night (/sarcasm) knowing you made ‘SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER’ most likely within the next four years.


150 posted on 08/10/2012 11:59:50 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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