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To: zeestephen
The media is looking for any ties to Conservatives every time a crazy person kills people. They haven't been able to find anything with these murderers lately, but we might as well give up now if we will let a single crazy person with ties to the TEA party, or some other Conservative movement, destroy the entire thing. The TEA party has been around awhile now, and it's a very large movement that obviously doesn't promote violence, or incite people to violence. But when you are dealing with any large movement there will be some isolated incident involving a crazy person who has some ties, no matter how insignificant, for them to use against all of us sooner or later. If we allow something like that to destroy the movement then we are fighting a losing battle. You can find murderers who have ties to any large group that has stayed around, and it's common sense that the person isn't repesentive of the group.

I am not talking about this guy who they are trying to make a representative of white Conservatives, but who has nothing linking him to any legit conservative group that I've heard of. I am saying this about the possibility that it will happen in the future, and if one crazy person is allowed to wrongfully destroy an entire movement by it's opponents then it's a movement that is too fragile to bother with.

I believe it's time for a nonviolent Revolution in our nation that elects leaders at the state level who are willing to defiantly confront the federal government on unconstitutional laws and mandates that have grown so large they can't be solved within the current corrupt system. If someone goes out and does something like McVeigh it's not something that has anything to do with my ideas, or others who have given up on the current system, and have decided to fight the tyranny we are all living under now. It's obvious we need drastic changes to restore our Constitution, but no one is going out and saying to do something stupid, and it's not something we should have to say not to do because it's common sense. Anyone out there who is going to do something like that will do it regardless of what anyone says. It's no different than believing that the shooting in Colorado wouldn't have happened if the Batman comics and movies never existed. These people will always find something else. What is going to happen when the liberals in the media get their wish of some crazy person who went to a TEA party event years before does something like this?

The liberals are disgusting in their literal joy in hearing about people being killed, and any possible link to something Conservatives. What's sick is that these people would be giddy if they woke up to hear that someone had murdered a large number of people and had been to several TEA party events. Can you imagine their off camera demeanor compared to their fake sorrow when using the incident for political propaganda? The fact is we can't allow for anyone to destroy our legitimate, righteous, and peaceful conservative movements based on the actions of a few crazy people that may have had something to do with a conservative movement at some point, when it's common sense that isn't what these movements are about. It's completely political, and if it wasn't we wouldn't be talking about it.

I support a new revolution in this country, and I don't think we will ever come to violence through the most realistic method for success in achieving that the way most envision, but if that unfortunate outcome ever happens it will be something which is supported by respected leaders who legitimize the actions to enough of the people. It won't be me, or some other unknown civilian, telling you to blow up a bunch of stuff up and go on random shooting sprees, but a leader who's respected and trusted asking you to do things with real purpose. It most likely wouldn't even involve civilians if it came to this. While I think it will be peaceful, I don't think you should support a state to defy an unconstitutional federal law without thinking about the worse possible outcomes, and accepting that with the commitment of standing your ground once it's started. If it can't be known to all that it will cost a price to make the state submit it will never have the power to achieve it's goal, while likely ending peacefully. I also think it's obvious there is no way we will ever get a Constitutional government through what is a broken and corrupt unconstitutional system like we have now.

35 posted on 08/06/2012 2:11:00 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (The time for our second revolution has come. It's our Constitutional right to overthrow tyranny.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Stop and take a deep breath.

Random violent acts involving innocents just aren't the way anything from the Right would go down.

Instead, I'd expect very well organized operations with specific goals, good intel, and a minimum of collateral damage.

Senseless killings have long been the tools of the Left and their Muslim pals, where sheer terror is the objective, not a specific target. It is the 'randomness' of terror which makes it effective as a device for molding public opinion, for getting people to give up their rights in the quest for safety, and that is antithetical to the objectives of people who seek more Liberty.

38 posted on 08/06/2012 2:34:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
The liberals are disgusting in their literal joy in hearing about people being killed, and any possible link to something Conservatives. What's sick is that these people would be giddy if they woke up to hear that someone had murdered a large number of people and had been to several TEA party events. Can you imagine their off camera demeanor compared to their fake sorrow when using the incident for political propaganda?

One of the first things Big Sis said after Fort Hood was NOT to blame Muslims. She was very concerned someone might think a Muslim screaming Allah Akbar might be seen as 'political'. I doubt she's going to express concern about Tea Party members being being judged unfairly. Of course we'll have to wait and see - /s

44 posted on 08/06/2012 3:43:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (...you can't reason somebody out of a position reason didn't get them in to... Freeper Uriah_lost)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
I support a new revolution in this country

The Revolution is underway and we're winning. Except for mitt, Tea Party Conservatives are being elected and taking over. Because of this, I sure can believe that the left and even the RINOs would back false flag events to try to smear the Tea Party.

Tea Partiers don't commit crimes, engage in violence, or destroy public property, but facts be damned, the media has orders it is all too willing to follow to pin the blame on we "haters" who hate high taxes and over regulation.

46 posted on 08/06/2012 4:00:14 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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