The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.
They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.
They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.
The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.
They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.
They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.
I was thinking the same thing.
My personal experience is that the Mormons I’ve known and worked with and had as neighbors were uniformly good people.
And the Muslims that I’ve known and worked with were insular, aloof, and suspicious.
It’s an interesting question, but...
I also think there is something inherent in the religions, independent of culture/civilization.
As evidence, I’d note that after the fall of Rome, Europe was invaded by barbarians, a tribal society also. Converting to Christianity was a key part of them becoming “civilized.”
ME tribes converting to Islam became unified; the question is whether this had any effect on them becoming ‘civilized’ in the definition used here.
Islam isn’t a religion.
Smokey backroom or chat???
The two religions are in no way linked. Your post is absolute bunk and anti-Mormon propaganda.
And, no, I’m not a Mormon or Mitt-bott.
I can’t possibly imagine using Hitchins as a source of illumination for any purpose involving religion.
Yep, that’s what I would do if I wanted to know more about a religion,
I would seek knowledge from an atheist. (NOT)
AS much as I dislike the mormon religion, Hitchens is full of crap. J. Smith was an illiterate con man with no foreign exposure or knowledge. To suggest he was even aware of who Muhammad was is Hitchens way of smearing. He has no source material for this supposed quotation. The truth is Chris Hitchens hated God and all religion so he found it easy to just write whatever he wanted.
There are enough reasons to disbelieve the tales of the ‘prophet’, this aint one of them
Will you be making phone calls for the Obama campaign?
That’s why Mormon women can’t get into the best heaven unless their husband calls their secret name.
They just hope their husband isn’t mad at them and remembers the correct secret temple name.
Is there a way we can work the Illuminati into this too so it can become even more nutty???
The only connection with Islam is that when Joseph Smith first became famous, some American newspapermen (remember when we had those?) often called him “The New Mohammet”. Any other similarities are really superfluous.
To the headline: yes I did. Joseph Smith compared himself to mohammad.
Why should I care???
Not really. Modern day Mormonism only looks tolerable to you because Mormons were forced by the US Cavalry to give up their murderous ways, and had to renounce polygamy and other practices in order for Utah to become a state.
Reading this thread jogged my memory that I had a book titled, “Mormons and Muslims: A Case of Matching Fingerprints” by Dennis Kirkland, 2008, Xulon Press (www.xulonpress.com) ISBM 978-1-60477-760-4
Kirkland, a former Marine infantryman, holds a doctorate from Liberty University. He says he wrote this book to inform any reader, Christian or non-Christian what these two religions believe. Also to help Christians have “something to say to Muslims and Mormons”, not “as a spiritual club...but as a means of better understanding their needs, which can be met only in Jesus”. Kirkland says comparisons of Muslims with Mormons is not something new, that it “has been done since the early 1800s after the founding of the Mormons”. He says these comparisons were accomplished by three camps: secular, non-Christian; the Mormon; and the Evangelical Christian. He lists and gives details of these comparisons.
For example, he writes that a German historian, Eduard Meyer, compared the two religions. Meyer was not a Christan but was considered “one of the most learned men of modern times”. His specialty was ancient history and especially how religions began. Meyer was “well versed in Islam and noted that Mormons and Muslims resembled each other in many ways.” Meyer wrote: “Without the least exaggeration, we may designate the Mormons as the Mohammedans of the New World according to their origin and their manner of thinking”, (page 13).
Still quoting: “Kirkland says there are two books written from a Mormon point of view that make a direct comparison between the two faiths. The first, “The Correlation of Muslim Doctrine and Latter-Day Saint Doctrine Based on the Holy Scriptures” by Amos R. Jackson. The Jackson family were devout Mormons. In the early 60s, the family hosted an Indonesian exchange student. Mr. Jackson noticed the matching fingerprints and compared the two faiths based on their scriptures. Jackson wrote: “As I studied, the Qur’an, with all the commentaries and notes, I noted significant doctrinal concepts that are clearly corollary to those found in the accepted Scriptures of the Church of the Latter-day Saints” (pg 14).”
A second book comparing the two faiths from a Mormon point of view is “Mormons and Muslims: Spiritual Foundations and Modern Manifestations, edited by Spencer J. Palmer. This was a publication of papers presented at BYU in October, 1981.
These two books, says Mr.Kirkland, written from a Mormon perspective “desire to embrace the similarities. The Mormon view is positive, Mormons want to give the Muslims a hug and invite them to believe in Joseph Smith as a more modern prophet than Mohammed...It is not surprising to note that the Muslims are not as friendly to the idea of embracing Mormon prophets such as Joseph Smith.”
“Mormon founder Joseph Smith himself wrote, I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—’Joseph Smith or the Sword!’” (pg 15) A footnote says Smith said this at the end of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. Quote is from Fawn M. Brodie’s book, “No Man Knows My History”, 2nd edition, (New York: Knopf, 1971, ppg 230-231)”
I haven’t read this book, but based upon what I’ve just typed, I surely will be reading it. I think it is a duty to read this book, now that I see a few pages of it.