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Car dealers fear Obama fuel standards will make new vehicles unaffordable
fox news ^ | 7/30/2012 | fox news

Posted on 07/30/2012 3:34:27 AM PDT by tobyhill

The White House is expected to OK federal standards in the next few weeks that will nearly double vehicle gas mileage for vehicles by 2025, as automotive dealers warn the changes could slam the recovering retail car industry because they will come with sticker prices that will keep buyers off their lots.

The recommendations call for “fleet wide” gas mileage of 54.4 miles a gallon by 2015 -- essentially the average gas mileage for cars, trucks, vans and all other vehicles in a model year.

The Environmental Protection Agency and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration submitted their proposed 2017-2025 fuel-efficiency recommendations in mid-July to the administration’s Office of Management and Budget.

“Dealers support fuel economy increases,” Bailey Wood, a National Automobile Dealers Association spokesman told FoxNews.com Saturday. “But if dealers cannot put vehicles on the road, we cannot reduce greenhouse gases or our dependence of foreign oil.”

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To: Venturer

They should just make it 1000 mpg and call it good. They could slap themselves on the back and claim victory over all.


41 posted on 07/30/2012 4:54:29 AM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: tobyhill

The left doesn’t want people to have cars and be free. Simple as that.

Diesel is the way to better fuel economy, but they will won’t ever go down that path. The Jetta TDI’s are a comfortable sedan and get upwards of 60MPG.


42 posted on 07/30/2012 4:54:40 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: central_va

You are right. Obama said he would make electricity rates skyrocket. He is well on his way.

FUBO


43 posted on 07/30/2012 4:56:19 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Westbrook

“road regulations that force older cars off the road”

This is the part that’s going to get very tricky. Somehow they have to get the older cars off the road, without violating the sacred alter of SOCIAL JUSTICE (i.e., without punishing the poor).

They will come up with something. Maybe huge vehicle registration charges for everyone as their cars get older, but then a huge rebate to “the poor” so that they can buy new replacements. Who knows? But something...


44 posted on 07/30/2012 4:57:27 AM PDT by BobL ( It's easy to be a saint when you have nothing on the line)
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To: IamConservative

-—— but they will won’t ever go down that path.——

They are already on that path if you don’t limit they to Chrysler, GM and Ford.

VW, BMW and Mercedes will kill the three above with diesels. I have such a vehicle and it is truly a marvel. It is six years old and going strong


45 posted on 07/30/2012 4:58:51 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: cripplecreek

I am privy to a study performed jointly by GM and the casualty insurance industry, which revealed the following:

The driver’s side seat belt, when buckled, increases the survivability of a front-end collision by 65%. When the driver’s side air bag is added, it provides another 5% survivability.

The passenger side seat belt afforded 85% increased survivability, with the air bag adding a statistical benefit close to zero. Note the reference here is to survivability and no claim was made as to reduced injury.

The study was presented when the government, already having mandated the driver’s side airbag, was attempting (and, of course, succeeded) in mandating the passenger side airbag.

The argument by the auto makers was that there was negligible benefit to the passenger inflatable restraint, and it was predicted that there may be other dangerous consequences, and of course, an extra five hundred dollars was added to the cost to produce.

The “other dangerous consequences” turned out to be the death of several under 80 pound children, and the fact that the passenger airbag many times breaks the windshield during a collision.

In short, you cannot buy a vehicle without the passenger air bag, but it has near-zero value to safety, especially when the cost and the safety negatives are factored in.

The other mandated plagues to the manufacturers include the oxygen sensors in the exhaust, which constantly go bad at a tremendous cost to the car makers (and ultimately to you), and the Tire Pressure Monitors, which cause more trouble than they save, because the air in your tires expands and contracts with temperature extremes, rendering the monitors valueless when compared to added cost by virtue of needless visits to the repair shop to turn the lights off.

Your vehicles would be several thousand dollars cheaper without these mandates of dubious value.


46 posted on 07/30/2012 5:06:48 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: tobyhill

Don’t worry. The government will provide emergency credit facilities to help car buyers.


47 posted on 07/30/2012 5:08:17 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Woe to them...)
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To: Sooth2222
Cuba hasn't imported any cars from the US since 1959 -- it's amazing how long a car can last if it needs to

cars made before 1959, anyway.

48 posted on 07/30/2012 5:11:08 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Woe to them...)
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To: tobyhill
Car dealers fear Obama fuel standards will make new vehicles unaffordable

Too late. Most cars are already unaffordable.

49 posted on 07/30/2012 5:12:39 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: wayoverontheright

———The other mandated plagues to the manufacturers include the oxygen sensors in the exhaust, which constantly go bad at a tremendous cost to the car makers (and ultimately to you),-——

Thank you, thank you, thank you......... The engine light came on and I took it to the dealer. Diagnosis: “lazy oxygen sensor”

Subsequently I asked about it and was advised not to worry if the O2 sensor was out because it essentially did nothing important. Replacement cost $453

I now have some confirmation

Vehicle Dodge Sprinter with 5 cylinder turbo diesel


50 posted on 07/30/2012 5:13:47 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: wayoverontheright

I personally think cars are too safe anyway. Its killing the professionalism and instinct that we used to develop behind the wheel.

I don’t want traction control or brakes that activate because the car senses that I’m about to have an accident.


51 posted on 07/30/2012 5:15:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: tobyhill
Ford is spending HUGE sums on R&D to make your F150 pickup truck body out of aluminum. See Next Ford F-150 May Feature Aluminum Body. Following Obama's diktats isn't cheap. Just wait until the body shop has to work on your aluminum body panels.

Also, you are going to get aluminum steering knuckles and stabilizer bars. Are you comfortable with aluminum steering parts?

52 posted on 07/30/2012 5:15:33 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Westbrook
The ultimate freedom is being able to jump in your own conveyance and go wherever you want, whenever you want.

A couple more reasons: try to find a practice range accessible by public transportation. Add at least $30 to take a zip car to the range. Job choices in the city tend to be government or contractors. City people do not have the option of wood heat. People are stuck buying overpriced merchandise unless they add the cost of a zip car to their shopping trip.

53 posted on 07/30/2012 5:17:04 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

What is a zip car?


54 posted on 07/30/2012 5:20:11 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

People without cars in the city rent these cars called zip cars. Mostly Minis and other cute impractical cars. They would get you out to the range and back but for $8/hour weekdays (more on weekends).


55 posted on 07/30/2012 5:27:08 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

> $8/hour weekdays (more on weekends).

I don’t know about you, but that’s real money to me.

I’d rather have a motorcycle, bicycle, or horse and remain out here in the rural country.


56 posted on 07/30/2012 5:29:29 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

I’m in the country except when I work which is in zip car land. It takes 1.5-2 hours each way but most of that time I am not driving but working or catching up on sleep.


57 posted on 07/30/2012 5:32:24 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Westbrook
One more intended or not consequence will be the death of the auto repair industry. As people quit driving the need for repair will go down. Old cars will still need repair but parts availability will become an issue.
58 posted on 07/30/2012 5:32:56 AM PDT by smithandwesson76subgun (full auto fun)
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To: bert
VW, BMW and Mercedes will kill the three above with diesels.

True, but they are not imported in large quantities. Even Ford and GM sell more diesels and more diesel models overseas.

59 posted on 07/30/2012 5:40:26 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: bert

VW, BMW, and Mercedes aren’t going to kill anybody.

It’s the coming tsunami of Chinese vehicles that will do the killing.


60 posted on 07/30/2012 5:47:11 AM PDT by nascarnation
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